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it doesn't involve aliens at all it was

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completely silent it comes right over

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our head it's so classic flying-saucer

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really standing in the clearing he

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turned over to my father and held his

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hand and he looked in his eyes and said

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welcome to the show I'm Martin Willis

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your host and coming up in just a minute

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or even less is Alejandro Rojas with the

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UFO news and I want to give a big shout

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out to actually he's been the show's

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biggest supporter Phil now Phil is

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somewhere in Michigan and he's on a

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fishing trip and I think he's been

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there's no no fish so I'm gonna give a

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Lou to know that he should have come

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it's all his fault anyway thanks Phil I

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hope you have better luck after this all

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right so coming up for a guest tonight

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is Ben Hansen the one and only Ben

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Hansen and after that in our 2 we're

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faded discs now this is an archive of

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links to these archives are in that blog

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so our one Ben Hansen our two I'm gonna

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play some clips you can call in if you'd

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like we can discuss these clips you can

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chatroom discuss this anything you want

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I meant financially peggy shunning out

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far as help Thank You Peggy she helps us

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podcast UFO calm all right we're ready

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to roll in the news and how you doin

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Alejandro I'm doing well how are you

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good good long time no talk man yeah

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who you know I know we see him on UFO

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updates he's written some stories for I

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National Park Service because of the

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evidence of when the Packard was

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know this was a mummy or a mummified

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body discovered by SL Palmer he was

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undiscovered that this was found in like

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the late 1800s by SL Palmer and then it

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park post national parks well he got

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document chronicling kind of the history

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information and a photo the photo looks

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slides and so it pretty much just kind

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of seals up everything because it talks

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about this SL Palmer you know thing you

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know body and it does confirm him

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Americans and reburied in a in the late

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of showing them on display is considered

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a bit disrespectful and I don't think

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anybody can blame Native Americans for

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feeling that way so they wanted to

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ribery those bodies and they were able

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has said he'll give ten thousand to

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anybody who is able to crack the case

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five thousand to anybody who produces a

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picture someone else produced a picture

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in the past which was valid but for some

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reason he said it was a painting and now

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Shepherds deserving of the ten thousand

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dollars however I don't think he will

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receive it hi Mameluke on still very

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quickly without research is just saying

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no that information is wrong and and

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it's frustrating but that's what he's

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doing but there is an update that's

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interesting everybody keeps saying the

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curtain is closed it's the end of the

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story and I don't know why they keep

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saying that because it never is the end

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of the story but that's the latest and

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greatest show me the mummy well you know

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episodes ago I mentioned that the body

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has the mummy was probably buried you

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can right you can actually hear me say

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that Wow that was that was kind of a

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that they did that when with like you

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saying Native Americans they they

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if you research that there's been a lot

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of history of people digging these

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things up taking them and actually being

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for for messing with remains of Native

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Americans so yeah there's a lot of laws

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protecting that right now it's not a

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cool thing to do no it's not but Wow

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so that's this is it this is the final

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oh no hideout is yeah and I I did I know

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where they're all gonna talk and I'm

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sure they're not going to concede I

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don't know why I mean the placard their

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own picture was deciphered the thing

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looks extremely familiar now they're

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saying that their picture shows a larger

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body but the body is exactly I mean even

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the mouth and the eyes one eye is closed

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but a marking and if you look on the

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pictures that were found recently

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be the same yeah I think yeah there are

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so many similarities I mean that it's

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the same thing so I mean it's just it's

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really to me really silly at this point

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to be arguing against all of these great

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discoveries and and I wrote this in a

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post that it's frustrating that the rods

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well slides research group has gotten

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and claimed that they were hoaxing

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things because never have they hoaxed

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and a much much better investigation

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that was done by the people with the

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slides unfortunately and I'm not you

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slides I respect but they they can learn

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something from the roswell sites group

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and I know these guys they're not

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hoaxers

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they may be honoree at some times but

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it the best that the UFO community took

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care of itself and did what they should

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have done and that is in researching

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these slides right exactly I agree a

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hundred percent he said he's a cool dude

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and now people have said that this it's

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not a doom at all not at all a Nick Pope

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know this is a debacle and it's

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ridiculous and I don't know why anybody

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would think it wasn't anything but a

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body in a museum but the media also saw

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that and they could care less about this

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story and there was maybe one media

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story in the UK that made fun of the

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whole thing but that's it the media has

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were possibly Loch Ness monsters are

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coming to to see the Loch Ness monster

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theory was a little wild maybe yeah but

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this case oh so what happened is in

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April this family the BET's Allen and

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Anna and Anna's parents all were

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vacationing out Loch Ness next to that

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castle you know that beautiful castle

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you see your pictures yeah I have a

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difficulty saying it correctly but yeah

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it was raining really hard supposedly

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lights they didn't see that at first

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they say their dog was barking strangely

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but they didn't notice anything peculiar

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until the family looked at the photos

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oh my gosh look at these UFOs so you

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took multiple pictures and this wasn't

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in other pictures so they don't believe

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what some have said is some kind of muck

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on the lent or something like that and

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so the mystery is what are these well

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story on open minds and someone sent me

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a link of someone who essentially

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seemingly has debunked this whole thing

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so oh let's hear the debunk and I think

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they've got it so what they're saying is

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it's probably a reflection of a light

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kind of a from inside the house so even

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though the mom said she went outside

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there's evidence in the picture that she

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didn't so this person zoomed in on the

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picture and was able to show that it

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looks like there are reflections of the

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curtains on the light or on the picture

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and if you if you look carefully it

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looks like you can't see that and he was

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actually in this room the same room that

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they were in and he there was a certain

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kind of light that he was able to show

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has the same shape as what's in the

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photo one of the arguments is we'll wire

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there - well he noticed that it's

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probably a double paned window yeah and

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there are many examples that not only he

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found but others have posted of kind of

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this mirror this reflecting light

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phenomena doubling because of double

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paned windows

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I think he's cracked the case I think so

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- yeah I know

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so what's funny is for our UFO report

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that we do every week we're about to

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interview Lee Spiegel and he I wrote

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about this as well he spoke with the

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couple so we're gonna ask him about what

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they talked about but I'm gonna have to

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break this news to him yeah

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just break it to him live on the air

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make sure yeah yeah yeah you think

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you're so great what about this I'm not

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perfect yeah make him cry yeah so what

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else is happening

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a couple other stories this one's kind

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of neat and this was halfway to bunked I

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think this was it uf overly disclosure

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which is a YouTube site and it's not one

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we refer to often but this is kind of an

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interesting video of some UFOs over

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Tulum Mexico another castle Mayan castle

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that's right on the beach oh man I was

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just in Cozumel near this place but it

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was a little too far away for us to get

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out there to visit I wish I could have

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but it's this beautiful castle and

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recently there was a video and

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supposedly a man's wife said she saw

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some flashes he tried to take a video of

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it and said he got this thing that seems

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like it's going through the cloud and

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these two strange flashes so it's kind

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of weird

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some people are marking that off to some

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sort of reflection people have to take a

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look and see what they think

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then there's a second video that from

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2013 Roger Marsh wrote this story and he

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saw that in 2013 there was another

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sighting and this was a picture that was

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captured on Google zoom and he wrote

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about that however a lot of people have

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demonstrated that the Google Street

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video was most likely a bug on the

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camera housing so some people disagree

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with that but I think that it probably

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is but the flashing video is a little

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more mysterious so yeah people can check

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that out on our website in this Friday

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on our UFO report and I have just one

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more quick quickie I want to talk about

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a fun picture yeah this is kind of cool

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so this is a leaked photo from the

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x-files set and it's a crashed UFO have

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you seen this I have yes yeah pretty

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cool huh

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so yeah yeah it's just crashed UFO and

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I'm sure this picture is going to begin

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to circulate as a real crashed UFO at

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any moment now but luckily we were able

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to document prior to that that it's

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actually a movie set from the x-files

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and it's just really exciting I think

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people are excited about this in fact

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when I posted this story earlier today

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George Knapp who we refer to reposted it

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on his Facebook because I think we're

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just all so excited about the x-files

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starting app

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we're hoping it's there's lots of lots

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of UFOs and aliens in it and this just

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demonstrates zero they'll be UFOs in

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some manner yeah

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hey Alejandro you in like a diner or

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something do I hear no I

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you do hear clanking it is someone worth

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setting up for at least bagel interview

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ah okay Lee did it again that senate

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again yeah hey thanks so much man this

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is good good stuff all right no problem

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all right so hang in there for our guest

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been hints and right after this music

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[Music]

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then Hanson

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how you doing good how are you good you

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know I had no idea you were even on or

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not

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glad you here yeah you too you too

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as long as I'm coming through clear

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we're all good you are yes I just told

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everyone in the chat room to cross their

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fingers it worked well I just moved my

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house to another apartment when I got

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married so I had all my mics and

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computer parts in different boxes so I'm

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glad we got it back together well I know

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hey congratulations you just very

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recently got married I did I was married

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on the 5th of May and then I was with my

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wife for five days before I took off to

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Australia well for several weeks so yeah

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it was kind of fun

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wow wow that's something now you

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probably broke a lot of women's hearts

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as soon as they found Ben Hansen was no

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longer available about that I don't know

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about that but yeah well welcome to the

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show we do have we do have a call in

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capability every once in a while every

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like two or three show someone will call

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in I'll just give that number out is 603

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96.7 403 oh and you can also jump in the

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chat room we have a chat room right on

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right on the main page at podcast UFO

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calm and Ben

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one of the things I thought we could

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talk about tonight is i love the

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analysis that you did I you and I

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haven't even discussed what we're going

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to talk about but the analysis you did

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first of all of a Bill Clinton and and

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then of Obama can we talk a little bit

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about that and it seems like sure it

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seems like Jimmy Kimmel had a heads up

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on that you were going to be looking at

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Obama yeah it was for those who haven't

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seen those are hadn't heard about it was

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kind of a daunting thing that happened

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because it was April of 2014 last year a

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Jimmy Kimmel interviewed

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in Clinton and he said I think was on a

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Wednesday baby you know Monday but he

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had two or three days heads up about

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what he was going to ask him we don't

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know exactly if Jimmy Kimmel has his own

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personal interest in the UFO alien

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subject or if that's something the

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producers have kind of you know written

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up for him or some have suggested that

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Bill Clinton and Obama seeing that it

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would be reasonable they get all the

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questions before you know they're

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interviewed that they specifically

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requested to be asked about the subject

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so Jimmy Kimmel said I'm going to talk

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to a bomb or I'm sorry to Clinton I'm

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gonna ask him if he looked into the UFO

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FILES and blah blah blah well so that

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interview took place it was it is a

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little less than three minutes long but

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he asked some pretty direct questions

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and I did an analysis of it which turned

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into 36 minute long a YouTube video but

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it's I think just sitting under a

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hundred thousand views I mean it's for

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me that's a lot of views I don't really

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make a lot of videos but so this past

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March what happened was I was was

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sitting there listening to the radio and

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I hear that all the the freeways up in

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LA are gonna be closed because Obama's

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coming into town and he's gonna be

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interviewed on Jimmy Kimmel I really

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didn't think anything about it I didn't

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think he was gonna be asked the same

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questions or what was gonna happen I

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don't even really watch TV so I went to

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sleep well the next morning I get a slew

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of emails people sending me things when

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are you going to do an analysis what do

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you think about what he said and all

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they said I was what are you talking

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about so I went online and first of all

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I found that the Los Angeles Times had

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done a story the day before on Jimmy

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Kimmel asking hypothetically well what

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who is Jimmy Kimmel going to ask Obama

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the same questions and they referenced

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my analysis on Clinton so then you get

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online you watch I watched

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Obama's interview which is only about 50

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seconds long that part of the segment

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but Jimmy Kimmel preface it preface is

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that part of the one of the questions

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telling him there are people who are

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going to analyze everything you say

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every gesture of Aloha

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so he's referencing my video which was

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kind of kind of a daunting thing like I

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said to have the president United States

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laughing and saying I know I know and so

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I felt compelled by this point I was

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like okay got to do it yeah now how long

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let's talk about first of all about

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Clinton how long did it take you to

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study that and I could just imagine you

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going back and forth and back and forth

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to watch these expressions and hand

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gestures did bliss

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let's basically you say right in the

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beginning of the film that you know

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you're not considered an expert but you

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did have you know you did have some

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training when you're with the FBI but

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can you explain how that how that works

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sure before I went to the FBI I worked

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for several years investigating child

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sex crimes so I was certified in what we

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call forensic interviewing technique so

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interviewing victims and perpetrators

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basically interrogations trying to get

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confessions and also you know listening

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to witnesses which does not include

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advanced degrees or anything about

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nature it's more kind of on-the-job

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experience there are psychologists who

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research and study nonverbal but the

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disclaimers I made were that I think I

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hope and I believe that I know a little

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bit more than the the everyday person

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but at the same time I have not done my

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own research what I did was compiled

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what other people have studied about

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these different gestures and that the

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first thing you have to do is transcribe

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the whole interview which you wouldn't

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think is very difficult it was less than

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three minutes but when you break it down

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I add in all those little arms ya know

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the stutters the stuff that people don't

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put in a normal transcription because

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those are very important and then

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you really do go by frame by frame and

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for people who think I was being really

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hypocritical hypercritical like I

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pointed out in the video you should take

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a look at research done on

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micro-expressions

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because these are the the thing that the

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the TV show lie to me was based on

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alright I watched a little bit of that

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will be consulting the technical advisor

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Paul Eckhart developed micro-expressions

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and he's looking at things that are so

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minut we're talking about thousands of a

542
00:25:06,979 --> 00:25:04,649
second where somebody has a little

543
00:25:09,589 --> 00:25:06,989
twitch mm-hm a little corner of their

544
00:25:12,649 --> 00:25:09,599
mouth goes up right before they speak or

545
00:25:15,349 --> 00:25:12,659
do something so the depth that I got

546
00:25:18,619 --> 00:25:15,359
into is nowhere near what they analyze

547
00:25:20,180 --> 00:25:18,629
and say is is very accurate and and so

548
00:25:22,159 --> 00:25:20,190
that's what we do and we look not only

549
00:25:24,079 --> 00:25:22,169
at what they're saying how they're

550
00:25:25,489 --> 00:25:24,089
saying it and what their body's

551
00:25:28,700 --> 00:25:25,499
conveying and basically we're looking

552
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:28,710
for incongruencies so we have to know

553
00:25:32,959 --> 00:25:30,960
the person primarily how they

554
00:25:35,659 --> 00:25:32,969
communicate when they're not being

555
00:25:38,450 --> 00:25:35,669
deceptive or stressed and then we look

556
00:25:41,209 --> 00:25:38,460
for a deviation in that and with Bill

557
00:25:44,899 --> 00:25:41,219
Clinton we had a lot of good examples of

558
00:25:46,430 --> 00:25:44,909
him being deceptive and with Obama we

559
00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:46,440
had a lot of good examples of him being

560
00:25:52,879 --> 00:25:49,049
stressed so that's where we make the

561
00:25:54,709 --> 00:25:52,889
comparisons right and it seems to me you

562
00:25:57,379 --> 00:25:54,719
know I may be wrong but you know that

563
00:26:00,289 --> 00:25:57,389
the Clintons actually did have I mean

564
00:26:05,810 --> 00:26:00,299
there is some evidence out there that

565
00:26:08,959 --> 00:26:05,820
they did have an interest in in UFOs yes

566
00:26:11,060 --> 00:26:08,969
definitely and and before Clinton even

567
00:26:13,310 --> 00:26:11,070
talked about it on Jimmy Kimmel we all

568
00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:13,320
well you know those of us who study this

569
00:26:17,779 --> 00:26:14,849
we we know about the Rockefeller

570
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:17,789
initiative mm-hmm we know about John

571
00:26:23,239 --> 00:26:21,210
Podesta Rihanna you know and his

572
00:26:27,529 --> 00:26:23,249
involvement and and how he was probably

573
00:26:28,639 --> 00:26:27,539
tasked as part of that initiative to go

574
00:26:31,820 --> 00:26:28,649
and do the things that he was saying

575
00:26:33,889 --> 00:26:31,830
happened on Jimmy Kimmel he said he

576
00:26:36,259 --> 00:26:33,899
looked into area 51 and he said he

577
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:36,269
looked into Roswell and that's where it

578
00:26:40,909 --> 00:26:39,570
gets really messy because I'll give him

579
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:40,919
the fact that he might be getting a

580
00:26:44,299 --> 00:26:41,490
little scene

581
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:44,309
I was getting up there an age but he was

582
00:26:49,130 --> 00:26:46,770
very confused about the timelines and we

583
00:26:51,140 --> 00:26:49,140
had those documented as to when the the

584
00:26:56,150 --> 00:26:51,150
Office of Inspector General report came

585
00:26:57,919 --> 00:26:56,160
out about Roswell and we have well we

586
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:57,929
didn't have really much about as area 51

587
00:27:01,520 --> 00:26:59,760
inquiries other than there was that

588
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:01,530
lawsuit that was going on at the time

589
00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:04,530
and he just says some things that were

590
00:27:09,049 --> 00:27:07,110
very odd things that were not common

591
00:27:10,940 --> 00:27:09,059
knowledge and then he mixes up the

592
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:10,950
timeline and he starts talking about

593
00:27:17,570 --> 00:27:14,640
something changes a subject shows all

594
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:17,580
these signs of being stressed and and

595
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:19,650
then just tries to bail out of it and

596
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:22,880
and he's got a lot of practice at that

597
00:27:26,930 --> 00:27:26,250
you know I mean his years in the in the

598
00:27:29,060 --> 00:27:26,940
Oval Office

599
00:27:31,940 --> 00:27:29,070
you know the whole Monica Lewinsky thing

600
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:31,950
you know I mean he's he's he's a he is

601
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:35,970
one of the both Clinton and Obama in my

602
00:27:42,500 --> 00:27:38,090
opinion are some of the most eloquent

603
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:42,510
speakers smooth talkers that have been

604
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:44,490
in the in the office at least in my

605
00:27:50,060 --> 00:27:47,520
lifetime yes I would totally agree and

606
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:50,070
that's the argument that a lot of people

607
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:52,320
use for and against you know an analysis

608
00:27:58,490 --> 00:27:55,200
of this sort because if he if he is so

609
00:28:01,549 --> 00:27:58,500
eloquent that could mean this must be

610
00:28:03,500 --> 00:28:01,559
something that really is stressful

611
00:28:07,010 --> 00:28:03,510
because these signs are what we call

612
00:28:08,540 --> 00:28:07,020
leaking out these emotions that

613
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:08,550
incongruencies are leaking through

614
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:11,010
despite his attempts to control them or

615
00:28:15,650 --> 00:28:13,530
we could say oh he's just messing with

616
00:28:18,500 --> 00:28:15,660
us I mean he's so good at this he's just

617
00:28:19,910 --> 00:28:18,510
you know and and my experience with

618
00:28:21,919 --> 00:28:19,920
interviewing people though however is

619
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:21,929
that most people are not good liars

620
00:28:27,620 --> 00:28:25,170
they're just not even at your attempts

621
00:28:29,930 --> 00:28:27,630
to try and control something if you know

622
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:29,940
the person they usually come off kind of

623
00:28:36,850 --> 00:28:34,650
contrived mm-hmm now is Clinton you

624
00:28:40,700 --> 00:28:36,860
mentioned that you thought maybe he's

625
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:40,710
out just touched a little bit because of

626
00:28:45,130 --> 00:28:44,250
his age how old is Clinton oh you've got

627
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:45,140
me there

628
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:49,770
gosh he's he's got to be pushing late

629
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:53,520
sixty's is he 70 already I don't know

630
00:28:59,870 --> 00:28:55,290
he's up there

631
00:29:04,640 --> 00:28:59,880
yeah okay but okay so yeah he's 68

632
00:29:07,100 --> 00:29:04,650
actually so but anyway I haven't really

633
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:07,110
noticed that about him he seems he still

634
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:09,120
seems pretty sharp are you you do

635
00:29:15,050 --> 00:29:11,210
consider him being a little bit confused

636
00:29:19,850 --> 00:29:15,060
well no not necessarily that's what kind

637
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:19,860
of the those who object the detractors I

638
00:29:24,020 --> 00:29:21,810
guess to to my analysis are saying is it

639
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:24,030
always is confused see now well we do

640
00:29:29,210 --> 00:29:27,330
know he's had a stroke before and that's

641
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:29,220
something I did not address in the video

642
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:32,090
when we talk about one side of his body

643
00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:34,410
you can see it in his eyes if you pull

644
00:29:38,780 --> 00:29:36,720
up a picture of him lately you'll see

645
00:29:41,330 --> 00:29:38,790
one half of his face is kind of drooped

646
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:41,340
more than the other one eyelid is kind

647
00:29:45,860 --> 00:29:43,200
of closed more that's typical of a

648
00:29:49,490 --> 00:29:45,870
stroke right right I had no idea he had

649
00:29:51,710 --> 00:29:49,500
a stroke yeah that's that's what I've

650
00:29:55,630 --> 00:29:51,720
been told and you know that that will

651
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:55,640
affect some things but his memory is

652
00:29:59,900 --> 00:29:58,080
typical of what he was doing is what I

653
00:30:02,000 --> 00:29:59,910
call backing out of the dead-end alley

654
00:30:04,580 --> 00:30:02,010
is when you start talking about

655
00:30:09,140 --> 00:30:04,590
something because Clinton style of

656
00:30:11,570 --> 00:30:09,150
speech he doesn't like silence so he's a

657
00:30:13,490 --> 00:30:11,580
type of guy who will just open his mouth

658
00:30:17,420 --> 00:30:13,500
start talking and hope that it leaves

659
00:30:20,930 --> 00:30:17,430
somewhere whereas Obama maintains his

660
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:20,940
composure more and he uses more humor to

661
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:23,840
try to fill in the gap and buy time and

662
00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:26,610
so you'll see that in the in the Clinton

663
00:30:32,020 --> 00:30:29,310
video and he'll start talking about area

664
00:30:37,550 --> 00:30:32,030
51 for example and he'll say things like

665
00:30:40,190 --> 00:30:37,560
well the reason that you know there's no

666
00:30:42,260 --> 00:30:40,200
aliens there well he says that later but

667
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:42,270
he says that people had to stop an hour

668
00:30:47,060 --> 00:30:44,730
outside of the base to put on special

669
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:47,070
clothing because they're working on

670
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:49,410
stealth technology there but there's no

671
00:30:56,540 --> 00:30:52,890
aliens down there and which makes no

672
00:31:00,050 --> 00:30:56,550
sense no sense I mean I talked to George

673
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:00,060
Knapp you know who's who broke the story

674
00:31:07,220 --> 00:31:05,490
and he of anybody should know if if any

675
00:31:09,049 --> 00:31:07,230
of the workers had come forward and say

676
00:31:12,100 --> 00:31:09,059
yeah there's special clothes you put on

677
00:31:15,019 --> 00:31:12,110
but that was a detail that was added

678
00:31:17,299 --> 00:31:15,029
which which kind of makes you think that

679
00:31:18,769 --> 00:31:17,309
he's been advised by somebody and it was

680
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:18,779
given a whole lot of details that he

681
00:31:23,899 --> 00:31:21,360
can't keep straight or that he realized

682
00:31:26,739 --> 00:31:23,909
he was saying things that wasn't public

683
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:26,749
knowledge and so you start to see the

684
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:29,490
elevation of his stress go up now that

685
00:31:34,659 --> 00:31:32,159
does not mean he knows anything about

686
00:31:37,610 --> 00:31:34,669
aliens or UFOs it doesn't mean that he's

687
00:31:40,639 --> 00:31:37,620
covering something up all that it means

688
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:40,649
is that we can see his stress going up

689
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:43,200
he does not like the subject so then we

690
00:31:50,810 --> 00:31:46,320
have to speculate as to why right and

691
00:31:52,609 --> 00:31:50,820
and you said with so he was stressed and

692
00:31:56,109 --> 00:31:52,619
what it again what did you say about

693
00:32:02,450 --> 00:31:56,119
Obama what was his underlying reaction

694
00:32:04,879 --> 00:32:02,460
well I believe that Obama we had 5050

695
00:32:08,060 --> 00:32:04,889
seconds basically to analyze from from

696
00:32:09,859 --> 00:32:08,070
his own area which is not much but I did

697
00:32:11,539 --> 00:32:09,869
point out something I didn't think I was

698
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:11,549
going to be able to to take out of this

699
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:15,529
and a lot of people disagree that's fine

700
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:17,610
because it's shot in high definition

701
00:32:25,730 --> 00:32:19,919
when they post these these videos online

702
00:32:27,649 --> 00:32:25,740
I was actually able to zoom in on his

703
00:32:29,930 --> 00:32:27,659
chest as he's giving the interview and

704
00:32:32,659 --> 00:32:29,940
you can see as he's breathing you can

705
00:32:35,090 --> 00:32:32,669
actually count the breathing rate right

706
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:35,100
now it doesn't take much to get into the

707
00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:38,850
the medical you know background on

708
00:32:46,129 --> 00:32:40,769
normal rates of breathing and all this

709
00:32:48,109 --> 00:32:46,139
stuff and he's he's he's over twice at

710
00:32:51,710 --> 00:32:48,119
least the normal breathing rate for this

711
00:32:53,989 --> 00:32:51,720
brief period of time and if you

712
00:32:56,109 --> 00:32:53,999
understand what stress breathing is when

713
00:32:59,389 --> 00:32:56,119
when someone hooks you up to a polygraph

714
00:33:00,859 --> 00:32:59,399
it doesn't mean that you ask somebody

715
00:33:03,259 --> 00:33:00,869
and they lie they're going to suddenly

716
00:33:05,779 --> 00:33:03,269
be out of breath because he doesn't seem

717
00:33:08,090 --> 00:33:05,789
out of breath at all in fact it's it's

718
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:08,100
kind of a physiological response that

719
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:10,320
your body thinks you need more oxygen so

720
00:33:15,139 --> 00:33:12,570
that's why we pay attention to when

721
00:33:16,460 --> 00:33:15,149
somebody's breathing rate goes up now

722
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:16,470
that's okay

723
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,529
that aside yeah that's interesting but

724
00:33:23,870 --> 00:33:21,360
as you start to see how he uses these

725
00:33:26,390 --> 00:33:23,880
other techniques such

726
00:33:28,700 --> 00:33:26,400
humor which you know most people who

727
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:28,710
even if you don't like Obama think he's

728
00:33:32,750 --> 00:33:30,810
you got to admit he's kind of a likable

729
00:33:37,940 --> 00:33:32,760
guy he likes to laugh and joke he's

730
00:33:40,910 --> 00:33:37,950
easygoing he uses humor a lot and he

731
00:33:42,620 --> 00:33:40,920
uses it inappropriately he gets in

732
00:33:45,530 --> 00:33:42,630
trouble a lot for the things he says and

733
00:33:47,930 --> 00:33:45,540
I put a string of things together as to

734
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:47,940
when he addresses the UFO subject how he

735
00:33:54,380 --> 00:33:51,210
always has treated it it's always been

736
00:33:57,140 --> 00:33:54,390
with derision always until one part of

737
00:33:59,840 --> 00:33:57,150
this interview so he throws in a few

738
00:34:02,090 --> 00:33:59,850
jokes I believe it was an attempt to

739
00:34:04,970 --> 00:34:02,100
kind of buy time and break the ice and

740
00:34:08,630 --> 00:34:04,980
kind of give him some some time to relax

741
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:08,640
into this subject but when Kimmel

742
00:34:15,260 --> 00:34:11,130
finally corners him and says did you

743
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:15,270
look did you see did you explore and he

744
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:18,480
stutters he looks away he turns his eyes

745
00:34:24,530 --> 00:34:20,970
down and he says I I can't reveal

746
00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:24,540
anything now people who thought he was

747
00:34:31,250 --> 00:34:28,110
joking the whole time I would agree that

748
00:34:36,370 --> 00:34:31,260
he was he was he was joking in the

749
00:34:39,530 --> 00:34:36,380
beginning because he's using it as as a

750
00:34:42,020 --> 00:34:39,540
technique to to buy time and loosen

751
00:34:44,180 --> 00:34:42,030
things up however when you get to this

752
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:44,190
part here and I break it down in the

753
00:34:48,860 --> 00:34:46,890
video and show I believe it's a demeanor

754
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:48,870
shift that's as great if not greater

755
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:52,170
than what Bill Clinton did and I do not

756
00:34:56,660 --> 00:34:54,960
believe that he was joking if you take

757
00:34:59,540 --> 00:34:56,670
it into the context of what just

758
00:35:01,580 --> 00:34:59,550
happened with John Podesta leaving the

759
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:01,590
White House making his tweet we know

760
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:04,560
that Podesta was not joking as well that

761
00:35:08,540 --> 00:35:06,090
would be going against everything that

762
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:08,550
he's he stood for the National Press

763
00:35:12,740 --> 00:35:10,490
Club and speaking out about disclosure

764
00:35:15,170 --> 00:35:12,750
it would go against all the work he's

765
00:35:18,170 --> 00:35:15,180
done with the Clintons regarding a

766
00:35:22,010 --> 00:35:18,180
disclosure so he's not joking when he

767
00:35:24,110 --> 00:35:22,020
tweets my biggest regret of you know

768
00:35:26,450 --> 00:35:24,120
leaving in 2014 leaving the Obama

769
00:35:30,590 --> 00:35:26,460
administration is not obtaining UFO

770
00:35:33,380 --> 00:35:30,600
disclosure so he leaves and about three

771
00:35:36,530 --> 00:35:33,390
weeks later or a month later Obama

772
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:36,540
appears on Jimmy Kimmel

773
00:35:42,740 --> 00:35:38,640
I don't think you can dismiss that as as

774
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:42,750
being you know non sequitur because he

775
00:35:49,130 --> 00:35:46,010
really in the context of this it was not

776
00:35:51,170 --> 00:35:49,140
that far-fetched to assume that sometime

777
00:35:52,940 --> 00:35:51,180
during that whole year Podesta grabbed

778
00:35:54,740 --> 00:35:52,950
the ear of the president and tried to

779
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:54,750
push his agenda and say hey hey while

780
00:36:00,290 --> 00:35:56,970
I'm here this is something I think you

781
00:36:02,210 --> 00:36:00,300
should really look into so break that

782
00:36:07,250 --> 00:36:02,220
one sentence apart I can't reveal

783
00:36:09,050 --> 00:36:07,260
anything no US president has ever stated

784
00:36:12,140 --> 00:36:09,060
about the UFO subject I can't reveal

785
00:36:14,690 --> 00:36:12,150
anything they just haven't that's a very

786
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:14,700
strange thing to say if your

787
00:36:19,940 --> 00:36:17,010
administration has already come out and

788
00:36:23,390 --> 00:36:19,950
has already said we looked into the

789
00:36:26,090 --> 00:36:23,400
subject there's no credible evidence of

790
00:36:28,210 --> 00:36:26,100
a cover-up nor credible evidence that we

791
00:36:31,220 --> 00:36:28,220
have discovered extraterrestrial life

792
00:36:33,050 --> 00:36:31,230
they said that you know with the

793
00:36:36,140 --> 00:36:33,060
disclosure petition in his

794
00:36:38,300 --> 00:36:36,150
administration that's right yeah so why

795
00:36:40,730 --> 00:36:38,310
would you come out and say I can't

796
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,740
reveal anything why not say I refer you

797
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:43,200
to the petition that's on the web on the

798
00:36:48,260 --> 00:36:45,210
White House website right now there's

799
00:36:51,530 --> 00:36:48,270
nothing new to talk about well one of

800
00:36:54,770 --> 00:36:51,540
the things going back to when Podesta

801
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:54,780
said that state that tweet I had Stephen

802
00:37:02,540 --> 00:36:58,290
Bassett on the following week and Leslie

803
00:37:05,740 --> 00:37:02,550
Kane was was very upset she said that

804
00:37:09,940 --> 00:37:05,750
she has close ties to him and there they

805
00:37:14,060 --> 00:37:09,950
communicate quite a bit and she said

806
00:37:18,050 --> 00:37:14,070
knowing him he was joking oh really

807
00:37:20,540 --> 00:37:18,060
yeah but you know I mean so I'm here you

808
00:37:22,820 --> 00:37:20,550
know you hear both sides of that you

809
00:37:24,980 --> 00:37:22,830
know I mean she I I did ask her if she

810
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:24,990
talked to him directly to ask him and

811
00:37:29,390 --> 00:37:27,450
she said no but she said he has a sense

812
00:37:33,140 --> 00:37:29,400
of humor like that and he it could have

813
00:37:36,740 --> 00:37:33,150
been just just a joke and you know when

814
00:37:38,810 --> 00:37:36,750
I when I was watching Obama before I

815
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:38,820
watched your video and that's a pretty

816
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:41,130
long video like that how long did that

817
00:37:46,340 --> 00:37:43,770
one that one's 40 minutes so you know

818
00:37:47,810 --> 00:37:46,350
yes it back grab a drink yeah it's

819
00:37:50,420 --> 00:37:47,820
actually good and I can link these on

820
00:37:51,799 --> 00:37:50,430
this on in the show notes I would

821
00:37:55,930 --> 00:37:51,809
do that I'll put those up in the

822
00:38:00,020 --> 00:37:55,940
shownotes tomorrow but when I watched

823
00:38:03,020 --> 00:38:00,030
Obama I without even looking into it I

824
00:38:06,020 --> 00:38:03,030
just thought well he's a funny guy he's

825
00:38:08,030 --> 00:38:06,030
got a good sense of humor I didn't you

826
00:38:09,470 --> 00:38:08,040
know my first reaction was that he

827
00:38:12,559 --> 00:38:09,480
wasn't hiding anything and then I

828
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:12,569
watched your your video and it really

829
00:38:17,900 --> 00:38:15,450
made me think and so I do suggest to the

830
00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:17,910
listener to like I said sit back have a

831
00:38:22,700 --> 00:38:20,609
drink watch watch the videos and and you

832
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:22,710
make some very valid points with these

833
00:38:26,839 --> 00:38:25,170
uh very you know small signals these

834
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:26,849
people are doing and it's kind of like

835
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:30,450
in a way it's sort of like a polygraph

836
00:38:36,049 --> 00:38:33,450
without being hooked up you know because

837
00:38:37,630 --> 00:38:36,059
someone they ask people questions and

838
00:38:40,910 --> 00:38:37,640
they see how they are and a normal

839
00:38:44,089 --> 00:38:40,920
answering you know truthful questions

840
00:38:47,839 --> 00:38:44,099
how the the pulse and everything else

841
00:38:50,059 --> 00:38:47,849
reacts and then when they when they lie

842
00:38:52,339 --> 00:38:50,069
or you know that then that's when

843
00:38:54,170 --> 00:38:52,349
everything kind of there's fluctuations

844
00:38:55,849 --> 00:38:54,180
so in a way you're kind of doing that

845
00:38:59,000 --> 00:38:55,859
right you know through body language

846
00:39:01,880 --> 00:38:59,010
yeah yeah and and if anything does leak

847
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:01,890
through I actually think it's more

848
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:04,530
significant because the the stress

849
00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:07,890
levels are ratcheted up many many more

850
00:39:12,170 --> 00:39:10,049
times when you're actually sitting in a

851
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:12,180
chair with a paragraph or having an

852
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:13,680
interrogation and you're being accused

853
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:15,450
of some criminal thing or taking a

854
00:39:21,650 --> 00:39:19,770
deposition in court the stress levels

855
00:39:23,539 --> 00:39:21,660
are increased greatly

856
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:23,549
this was supposed to be for

857
00:39:28,789 --> 00:39:25,530
entertainment this is supposed to be fun

858
00:39:30,799 --> 00:39:28,799
loose he's talking about Kanye West

859
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:30,809
you know Clinton's talking about his

860
00:39:36,980 --> 00:39:33,690
favorite food is cheese and so you'll

861
00:39:39,410 --> 00:39:36,990
see that relaxation take place earlier

862
00:39:44,270 --> 00:39:39,420
in the interviews but there's a very

863
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:44,280
marked difference and shift in demeanor

864
00:39:48,410 --> 00:39:46,650
with both of them and that's why I think

865
00:39:51,230 --> 00:39:48,420
it is it is pretty significant now

866
00:39:52,819 --> 00:39:51,240
Alejandro who he just had on he

867
00:39:54,770 --> 00:39:52,829
disagrees he's one of them who

868
00:39:56,500 --> 00:39:54,780
respectfully disagrees with me that he

869
00:39:59,329 --> 00:39:56,510
thinks he's joking the whole time and

870
00:40:02,120 --> 00:39:59,339
and that's why we can't rely just upon

871
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:02,130
the body language you have to bring in

872
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:04,410
the context everything

873
00:40:08,300 --> 00:40:06,450
has to be looked at in the context of

874
00:40:11,420 --> 00:40:08,310
how it was said and the words that

875
00:40:15,950 --> 00:40:11,430
somebody chooses and and that's why I

876
00:40:19,100 --> 00:40:15,960
think that one phrase is is gold that

877
00:40:20,330 --> 00:40:19,110
one phrase I can't reveal anything it

878
00:40:23,690 --> 00:40:20,340
leaves us with really just two

879
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:23,700
possibilities number one Obama likes to

880
00:40:27,410 --> 00:40:25,650
be the cool kid in high school and make

881
00:40:30,830 --> 00:40:27,420
you think that he knows something but

882
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:30,840
that's just kind of his his tagline for

883
00:40:34,970 --> 00:40:32,490
everything because he wants you to think

884
00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:34,980
he's in the know maybe he's trying to

885
00:40:40,970 --> 00:40:37,110
divert people from talking about the

886
00:40:43,730 --> 00:40:40,980
economy problems or whatever or that was

887
00:40:46,970 --> 00:40:43,740
a genuine reaction because he's had

888
00:40:49,130 --> 00:40:46,980
conversations with people that have told

889
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:49,140
him in no uncertain terms don't worry

890
00:40:53,300 --> 00:40:51,330
about it mr. president or you don't need

891
00:40:58,730 --> 00:40:53,310
to go there you don't have a need to

892
00:41:00,500 --> 00:40:58,740
know that type of reaction would be kind

893
00:41:03,650 --> 00:41:00,510
of typical of somebody who's kind of

894
00:41:05,330 --> 00:41:03,660
like I don't appreciate this I don't

895
00:41:07,250 --> 00:41:05,340
like it but I'm gonna joke about it

896
00:41:10,330 --> 00:41:07,260
because I'm not at liberty to talk about

897
00:41:12,860 --> 00:41:10,340
it up on the message board we had

898
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:12,870
someone made kind of a good point and I

899
00:41:17,810 --> 00:41:14,490
just wondered what your thoughts were on

900
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:17,820
this because you mentioned earlier which

901
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:19,650
I believe is always in the case of a

902
00:41:24,380 --> 00:41:21,690
president or a royalty or anything like

903
00:41:28,340 --> 00:41:24,390
that that they do have the questions a

904
00:41:30,620 --> 00:41:28,350
day or two in advance so why couldn't

905
00:41:32,690 --> 00:41:30,630
someone be more relaxed if they know

906
00:41:35,090 --> 00:41:32,700
that they're going to be asked a

907
00:41:37,100 --> 00:41:35,100
question like this that's that's my

908
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:37,110
point exactly you would expect them to

909
00:41:40,850 --> 00:41:38,880
be more relaxed you'd expect them to be

910
00:41:44,330 --> 00:41:40,860
more rehearsed

911
00:41:47,180 --> 00:41:44,340
you know they Obama especially loves it

912
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:47,190
when he has this teleprompter but if you

913
00:41:51,170 --> 00:41:49,170
take that away you should still have

914
00:41:53,420 --> 00:41:51,180
time if you've been given the questions

915
00:41:58,430 --> 00:41:53,430
you should have time too if you're going

916
00:42:01,400 --> 00:41:58,440
to tell jokes to perfect your jokes when

917
00:42:05,660 --> 00:42:01,410
somebody's not a great actor it you know

918
00:42:09,620 --> 00:42:05,670
you can see that well III should say you

919
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:09,630
can see when somebody I like is trying

920
00:42:16,430 --> 00:42:14,880
to control their their response in in

921
00:42:18,380 --> 00:42:16,440
such a way that that wouldn't seem

922
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:18,390
spontaneous like I

923
00:42:24,529 --> 00:42:20,930
believe Obama really was being genuine

924
00:42:26,930 --> 00:42:24,539
you saw some genuine smiles like he

925
00:42:28,609 --> 00:42:26,940
normally does when he's having fun you

926
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:28,619
see everything that indicates he's being

927
00:42:34,579 --> 00:42:31,920
genuine including when he turns away and

928
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:34,589
says that he can't talk about something

929
00:42:40,059 --> 00:42:37,920
I think that was genuine right didn't he

930
00:42:43,069 --> 00:42:40,069
like look down at his feet or something

931
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:43,079
he did briefly and I point out in the

932
00:42:48,349 --> 00:42:45,119
video that's that's not uncommon for

933
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:48,359
Obama he he looks down 50% of the time

934
00:42:52,279 --> 00:42:50,160
when he's in interviews but there's

935
00:42:54,529 --> 00:42:52,289
another reason for that and that gets

936
00:42:57,140 --> 00:42:54,539
into talking about neuro linguistic

937
00:42:59,000 --> 00:42:57,150
programming and what where his he's

938
00:43:01,039 --> 00:42:59,010
trying to access in his mind so it's not

939
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:01,049
necessarily I'm avoiding I contacted you

940
00:43:06,289 --> 00:43:02,490
because I don't like to look at you when

941
00:43:08,539 --> 00:43:06,299
I'm you know stressed it's it's probably

942
00:43:10,609 --> 00:43:08,549
a combination of things but that that in

943
00:43:12,890 --> 00:43:10,619
itself does not you know indicate that

944
00:43:14,620 --> 00:43:12,900
he's being untruthful I think he was

945
00:43:18,620 --> 00:43:14,630
being truthful

946
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:18,630
well great work it was really very

947
00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:22,079
entertaining to to watch that and you

948
00:43:27,620 --> 00:43:24,569
know it's not just one other question

949
00:43:31,029 --> 00:43:27,630
has anyone else attempted to do what

950
00:43:33,799 --> 00:43:31,039
you've done with these videos you know I

951
00:43:35,749 --> 00:43:33,809
know not that I know of an in that

952
00:43:38,779 --> 00:43:35,759
degree I think I have seen a couple

953
00:43:42,499 --> 00:43:38,789
videos where people you know might take

954
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:42,509
you know one phrase or somebody was

955
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:46,319
trying to make the case that that that

956
00:43:49,970 --> 00:43:48,089
there's a grand deception going on

957
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:49,980
there's no such thing as aliens and this

958
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:52,650
is part of you know kind of angels and

959
00:43:57,890 --> 00:43:56,160
demons thing but no nobody else I know

960
00:44:00,920 --> 00:43:57,900
has done this and that's why I like I

961
00:44:03,650 --> 00:44:00,930
said I I kind of felt like that morning

962
00:44:06,319 --> 00:44:03,660
after the intervals like nobody does

963
00:44:09,710 --> 00:44:06,329
this if I don't do it who's gonna do it

964
00:44:14,029 --> 00:44:09,720
somebody has to say something and just

965
00:44:16,339 --> 00:44:14,039
what the people decide mm-hmm someone up

966
00:44:17,630 --> 00:44:16,349
on the message board and I thought we

967
00:44:20,089 --> 00:44:17,640
could get into this a little bit later

968
00:44:24,049 --> 00:44:20,099
but - we'll bring it up now we'll shift

969
00:44:29,059 --> 00:44:24,059
gears here and in regards to your night

970
00:44:30,589 --> 00:44:29,069
vision a technology that you sell I hope

971
00:44:31,970 --> 00:44:30,599
that's going well we have a banner I

972
00:44:36,650 --> 00:44:31,980
believe we have a banner upper now

973
00:44:38,359 --> 00:44:36,660
website for you and if that is selling

974
00:44:40,300 --> 00:44:38,369
well our customer saying that they're

975
00:44:44,270 --> 00:44:40,310
seeing UFOs with them

976
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:44,280
yes typically what what we see with the

977
00:44:49,070 --> 00:44:45,930
night vision is because the the

978
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:49,080
generation 3 stuff enhances light by

979
00:44:53,450 --> 00:44:51,690
about 50,000 times and it's getting

980
00:44:56,030 --> 00:44:53,460
better in fact we just came out with a

981
00:44:57,590 --> 00:44:56,040
new one that really really decreases

982
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:57,600
what we call the halo effects around

983
00:45:03,590 --> 00:45:01,200
bright objects so what we're seeing most

984
00:45:07,070 --> 00:45:03,600
of our these objects are about the size

985
00:45:10,010 --> 00:45:07,080
and and height of a satellite you'll see

986
00:45:11,900 --> 00:45:10,020
a lot more satellites tracking but like

987
00:45:13,550 --> 00:45:11,910
I've seen before you'll see these these

988
00:45:15,050 --> 00:45:13,560
objects that will go in a straight line

989
00:45:18,140 --> 00:45:15,060
and suddenly that will start changing

990
00:45:24,380 --> 00:45:18,150
course they will slightly deviate

991
00:45:27,290 --> 00:45:24,390
they'll do S turns I don't buy into who

992
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:27,300
to people who you know don't try to do

993
00:45:31,220 --> 00:45:29,130
their own debunking at first and they

994
00:45:34,070 --> 00:45:31,230
just say I was powering up its having a

995
00:45:37,099 --> 00:45:34,080
war with the other the other UFOs and

996
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:37,109
you have to know a lot about Iridium

997
00:45:42,770 --> 00:45:39,530
satellite flares you have to know about

998
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:42,780
you know how the satellite might turn on

999
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:44,730
its axes and the panels are actually

1000
00:45:49,099 --> 00:45:46,410
reflecting and that's what looks like

1001
00:45:51,050 --> 00:45:49,109
it's pulsating and so but any rate

1002
00:45:54,650 --> 00:45:51,060
people are recording these we have

1003
00:45:55,940 --> 00:45:54,660
hookups to iPhones to DSR cameras and

1004
00:46:00,770 --> 00:45:55,950
stuff that makes it very simple to

1005
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:00,780
record Wow iPhones Wow I had no idea you

1006
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:02,850
had an iPhone app for that is it's not

1007
00:46:08,450 --> 00:46:04,730
an app but it looks right up to your

1008
00:46:10,250 --> 00:46:08,460
camera it's not not an app it's uh it's

1009
00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:10,260
sort of a bracket that will go on the

1010
00:46:16,910 --> 00:46:14,609
the the eyepiece as a scope I see kind

1011
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:16,920
of like I've seen lenses that go on

1012
00:46:21,590 --> 00:46:19,200
iPhones and things like that yeah for

1013
00:46:24,260 --> 00:46:21,600
the microscopes and all those things so

1014
00:46:26,060 --> 00:46:24,270
for the new technology you just spoke

1015
00:46:29,359 --> 00:46:26,070
about is that some type of polarizing

1016
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:32,450
for the latest night vision right know

1017
00:46:38,510 --> 00:46:34,890
what they've done is is the night vision

1018
00:46:41,180 --> 00:46:38,520
has an ion barrier so the light bomb

1019
00:46:43,870 --> 00:46:41,190
Bard's this this kind of barrier that

1020
00:46:45,630 --> 00:46:43,880
turns it to electromagnetic to a pulse

1021
00:46:49,289 --> 00:46:45,640
that is

1022
00:46:51,299 --> 00:46:49,299
by the computer chips and from what I

1023
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:51,309
understand is they tried to make this

1024
00:46:56,549 --> 00:46:54,249
this ion film thinner and thinner and

1025
00:46:58,799 --> 00:46:56,559
thinner and so they just basically got

1026
00:47:01,140 --> 00:46:58,809
rid of it altogether but it's not been

1027
00:47:03,839 --> 00:47:01,150
until now that they've been able to to

1028
00:47:06,420 --> 00:47:03,849
have a product that is not too fragile

1029
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:06,430
that doesn't break so that's where

1030
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:07,210
they're at on it

1031
00:47:13,620 --> 00:47:10,720
I see now as a follow-up to the last

1032
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:13,630
question is there any collection of

1033
00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:15,249
these videos anywhere that have been

1034
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:20,049
taking with taken with an iPhone yeah

1035
00:47:25,950 --> 00:47:22,690
there's there's a great article I'm not

1036
00:47:29,460 --> 00:47:25,960
sure if if Lee Spiegel has published it

1037
00:47:31,529 --> 00:47:29,470
yet on Huffington Post but he should

1038
00:47:35,729 --> 00:47:31,539
pretty soon I don't want to give it away

1039
00:47:38,130 --> 00:47:35,739
for him but I sold one of the scopes to

1040
00:47:39,900 --> 00:47:38,140
a gentleman who's not too far from where

1041
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:39,910
I am here in Newport Beach California

1042
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:43,210
and he's been filming these strange sort

1043
00:47:50,460 --> 00:47:47,170
of orb like objects if I could find

1044
00:47:53,130 --> 00:47:50,470
where his website link is I'd give it to

1045
00:47:55,380 --> 00:47:53,140
you but he's been posting these for

1046
00:47:57,599 --> 00:47:55,390
quite a while now and he has recorded

1047
00:48:02,849 --> 00:47:57,609
some quite incredible things Lee also

1048
00:48:05,999 --> 00:48:02,859
did a story on a military guy who's out

1049
00:48:09,930 --> 00:48:06,009
in North Carolina who filmed a triangle

1050
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:09,940
that seems to be kind of turning we're

1051
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:12,160
trying to decide if that triangle was

1052
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:14,319
turning or if it was just his camera

1053
00:48:19,950 --> 00:48:18,130
position but the reason it's important

1054
00:48:24,029 --> 00:48:19,960
is because it's a pretty quick turn and

1055
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:24,039
it's silent so he may have captured one

1056
00:48:28,019 --> 00:48:25,599
of these silent triangles and and on our

1057
00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:28,029
show fact or faked we reviewed another

1058
00:48:34,319 --> 00:48:31,569
night vision video that was similar that

1059
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:34,329
is debatable whether it was people hang

1060
00:48:39,900 --> 00:48:37,599
gliding at night you know so the the

1061
00:48:42,089 --> 00:48:39,910
tricky thing is is having this with you

1062
00:48:43,769 --> 00:48:42,099
because most of these sightings only

1063
00:48:45,660 --> 00:48:43,779
lasts a couple seconds so you really

1064
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:45,670
have to be out there looking for it or

1065
00:48:49,289 --> 00:48:47,680
have this thing ready to go because the

1066
00:48:52,349 --> 00:48:49,299
things I've seen are over within four

1067
00:48:55,559 --> 00:48:52,359
seconds well you want to talk about a

1068
00:48:58,140 --> 00:48:55,569
couple of ones you've seen was that

1069
00:48:59,490 --> 00:48:58,150
Earth that's one triangle is that was

1070
00:49:03,540 --> 00:48:59,500
that one you saw

1071
00:49:04,590 --> 00:49:03,550
I have seen a triangle in Huntington

1072
00:49:07,620 --> 00:49:04,600
Beach California

1073
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:07,630
just a few years ago and it was

1074
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:09,010
spectacular it was everything that

1075
00:49:14,070 --> 00:49:12,250
people talked about it was it was

1076
00:49:15,570 --> 00:49:14,080
strangest thing again is people

1077
00:49:17,820 --> 00:49:15,580
explained it was completely silent

1078
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:17,830
there's about a thousand feet over my

1079
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:21,490
head my now wife also witnessed it with

1080
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:22,480
me

1081
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:25,690
we were jogging on a track at night at

1082
00:49:30,750 --> 00:49:28,330
the high school and I had stopped just

1083
00:49:35,070 --> 00:49:30,760
to to stretch was looking up at the sky

1084
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:35,080
it had three lights on each point and

1085
00:49:39,870 --> 00:49:37,930
the the inner part in the middle was

1086
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:39,880
either painted the same color as the sky

1087
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:42,850
above or it had some type of technology

1088
00:49:47,730 --> 00:49:44,770
it allowed it to be transparent because

1089
00:49:50,670 --> 00:49:47,740
I could see a defined edge but just like

1090
00:49:53,220 --> 00:49:50,680
people say it was literally transparent

1091
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:53,230
you know in the middle so hear this all

1092
00:49:57,870 --> 00:49:55,090
the time I mean that seems to be a

1093
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:57,880
reoccurring thing you know I mean there

1094
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:00,160
was uh even in the Phoenix lights when

1095
00:50:06,180 --> 00:50:04,450
it went over between the two peaks they

1096
00:50:09,650 --> 00:50:06,190
there was a similar description if I'm

1097
00:50:12,780 --> 00:50:09,660
if I'm correct no that's it's very true

1098
00:50:15,300 --> 00:50:12,790
you know the the people theorizing on

1099
00:50:17,370 --> 00:50:15,310
the propulsion system talked about light

1100
00:50:19,020 --> 00:50:17,380
being bent around it you know maybe

1101
00:50:21,300 --> 00:50:19,030
because the propulsion bends the light

1102
00:50:24,990 --> 00:50:21,310
or maybe it's just an intentional

1103
00:50:28,590 --> 00:50:25,000
something rather but my question again

1104
00:50:31,620 --> 00:50:28,600
is is if this is military why would they

1105
00:50:32,910 --> 00:50:31,630
be flying it over a very populated area

1106
00:50:34,350 --> 00:50:32,920
like this if they want to keep it a

1107
00:50:36,540 --> 00:50:34,360
secret

1108
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:36,550
it was cruising fast and I've had two

1109
00:50:41,010 --> 00:50:38,170
other experiences my first one was in

1110
00:50:43,110 --> 00:50:41,020
the Caribbean I saw one of these

1111
00:50:45,450 --> 00:50:43,120
satellite type objects and it was in a

1112
00:50:48,990 --> 00:50:45,460
straight line until it started doing s

1113
00:50:51,870 --> 00:50:49,000
turns in the sky so you consider that

1114
00:50:53,100 --> 00:50:51,880
the G forces at play they're not not

1115
00:50:57,150 --> 00:50:53,110
conventional at all

1116
00:51:01,140 --> 00:50:57,160
I had a show producer on and also some

1117
00:51:03,870 --> 00:51:01,150
of that writes for Larry David and all

1118
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:03,880
that and he's he wrote I mean he had a

1119
00:51:09,660 --> 00:51:06,370
movie called Trekkies and so I had him

1120
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:09,670
on he's he's a skeptic basically and he

1121
00:51:15,390 --> 00:51:13,450
said every single triangle

1122
00:51:18,329 --> 00:51:15,400
they see out there people see out there

1123
00:51:20,670 --> 00:51:18,339
is something secretive military he's

1124
00:51:23,630 --> 00:51:20,680
said that that is the answer 100 percent

1125
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:23,640
boarded I got a lot of email after that

1126
00:51:29,390 --> 00:51:26,800
after well that's great it's great to

1127
00:51:32,849 --> 00:51:29,400
have an opinion isn't it yeah I mean

1128
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:32,859
yeah you you take a look at the military

1129
00:51:40,410 --> 00:51:37,690
mindset and how how they strived so hard

1130
00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:40,420
to keep area51 a secret you know because

1131
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:42,609
they have this huge expanse of land and

1132
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:45,760
now we've got you know dubbed area 52

1133
00:51:51,390 --> 00:51:48,640
and Dugway utah and these places that

1134
00:51:53,220 --> 00:51:51,400
lots of space you can go fly your planes

1135
00:51:55,950 --> 00:51:53,230
and keep them a secret at least from the

1136
00:51:59,430 --> 00:51:55,960
public maybe not from foreign satellites

1137
00:52:01,020 --> 00:51:59,440
but it kind of defeats the purpose if

1138
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:01,030
you're gonna fly these over downtown

1139
00:52:10,500 --> 00:52:05,680
Phoenix over Bulgaria over the Hudson

1140
00:52:14,130 --> 00:52:10,510
Valley over Illinois builds of yeah if

1141
00:52:15,900 --> 00:52:14,140
you're yeah it's not not really a secret

1142
00:52:18,750 --> 00:52:15,910
anymore is it if that's what you decide

1143
00:52:21,900 --> 00:52:18,760
to do with it exactly I think I brought

1144
00:52:26,130 --> 00:52:21,910
up something like that to him and of

1145
00:52:27,690 --> 00:52:26,140
course he had some type of answer Ben

1146
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:27,700
I'm gonna put you on the spot here I'm

1147
00:52:30,900 --> 00:52:29,290
wondering if we could squeeze a couple

1148
00:52:33,180 --> 00:52:30,910
more minutes out of you were coming up

1149
00:52:34,620 --> 00:52:33,190
on the top of the hour because there's

1150
00:52:36,750 --> 00:52:34,630
just a couple more questions I want to

1151
00:52:38,250 --> 00:52:36,760
ask is that a possibility sure that's

1152
00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:38,260
fine okay

1153
00:52:44,089 --> 00:52:41,710
before the top of the hour though I'd

1154
00:52:48,030 --> 00:52:44,099
like to ask you if you wouldn't mind

1155
00:52:48,329 --> 00:52:48,040
repeating when I first had you on the

1156
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:48,339
show

1157
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:50,290
you told us a story about your

1158
00:52:52,980 --> 00:52:51,520
grandfather and I wondered if you

1159
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:52,990
wouldn't mind repeating that story

1160
00:53:00,120 --> 00:52:57,010
basically his his involvement and and

1161
00:53:03,050 --> 00:53:00,130
you know with his father and with your

1162
00:53:07,609 --> 00:53:03,060
father the things he said and all that

1163
00:53:13,140 --> 00:53:07,619
sure yeah well it kind of starts out in

1164
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:13,150
the the mid 90s early 90s my my

1165
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:16,450
grandfather served in the Army World War

1166
00:53:23,339 --> 00:53:20,410
two retired served in the Rings for a

1167
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:23,349
little bit actually that was where he

1168
00:53:26,970 --> 00:53:24,880
was in World War two and then retired

1169
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:26,980
and joined

1170
00:53:33,450 --> 00:53:30,250
the Air Force is a civilian logistical

1171
00:53:36,270 --> 00:53:33,460
technician so he worked from

1172
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:36,280
approximately nineteen I want to say it

1173
00:53:44,900 --> 00:53:41,050
was fifty two to the 80s and he was

1174
00:53:47,849 --> 00:53:44,910
based in Hill Air Force Base Utah and

1175
00:53:51,710 --> 00:53:47,859
growing up my dad it was him and his two

1176
00:53:55,230 --> 00:53:51,720
sisters so sometime around about 1964

1177
00:53:59,520 --> 00:53:55,240
1965 my grandfather comes to him and

1178
00:54:03,300 --> 00:53:59,530
says son I've been asked to be be a part

1179
00:54:05,310 --> 00:54:03,310
of a special team that might be called

1180
00:54:06,990 --> 00:54:05,320
upon in times of an emergency and I'll

1181
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:07,000
have to leave and I can't tell you where

1182
00:54:11,790 --> 00:54:09,280
I'm going or when I'll be back so you're

1183
00:54:15,540 --> 00:54:11,800
the man in charge of the house my dad

1184
00:54:18,180 --> 00:54:15,550
said well is this like a nucular threat

1185
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:18,190
emergency type of thing he says yeah

1186
00:54:23,460 --> 00:54:19,810
something like that

1187
00:54:25,170 --> 00:54:23,470
so the summer of 65 it was the first

1188
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:25,180
time he remembers that my grandpa got a

1189
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:29,050
call and he remembers him going to the

1190
00:54:32,220 --> 00:54:30,850
airport and on that occasion he

1191
00:54:33,359 --> 00:54:32,230
remembers he went to wright-patterson

1192
00:54:38,060 --> 00:54:33,369
Air Force Base

1193
00:54:40,980 --> 00:54:38,070
so everyone who knows about the Roswell

1194
00:54:42,930 --> 00:54:40,990
documents legends and and such we know

1195
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:42,940
that the debris most of the debris went

1196
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:44,890
to wright-patterson it was the home of

1197
00:54:50,849 --> 00:54:46,690
the foreign technology division it still

1198
00:54:53,310 --> 00:54:50,859
is home a project Bluebook and he made

1199
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:53,320
several trips over those decades to

1200
00:54:59,520 --> 00:54:56,650
wright-patterson he was given my father

1201
00:55:01,140 --> 00:54:59,530
was given a phone number at times he

1202
00:55:03,870 --> 00:55:01,150
would call the operator and say I need

1203
00:55:06,170 --> 00:55:03,880
to talk to Merlin Hanson and the

1204
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:06,180
operator would say which building

1205
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:11,410
building 18 were which 18 ABCD I don't

1206
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:14,410
know I just need to talk to him so his

1207
00:55:18,210 --> 00:55:16,210
exchange is over the years when he'd

1208
00:55:21,359 --> 00:55:18,220
come back he was very quiet

1209
00:55:23,570 --> 00:55:21,369
he said he often worked alone only time

1210
00:55:26,099 --> 00:55:23,580
to people by their first names

1211
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:26,109
dad didn't really think much about it

1212
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:28,450
except that he was very hard to get

1213
00:55:31,950 --> 00:55:30,160
ahold of including when my grandmother

1214
00:55:34,109 --> 00:55:31,960
nearly passed away he couldn't get ahold

1215
00:55:36,060 --> 00:55:34,119
of him to tell her tell him that she was

1216
00:55:40,620 --> 00:55:36,070
in the hospital and my dad was very

1217
00:55:41,970 --> 00:55:40,630
upset about this so I don't know

1218
00:55:45,980 --> 00:55:41,980
time we have I could tell you one little

1219
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:45,990
thing oh yeah yeah we could time okay so

1220
00:55:51,870 --> 00:55:50,290
the one one particular summer my my

1221
00:55:55,340 --> 00:55:51,880
father was was on the high school

1222
00:55:59,580 --> 00:55:55,350
basketball team and he remembers because

1223
00:56:01,290 --> 00:55:59,590
his dad had never gone to well I think

1224
00:56:03,660 --> 00:56:01,300
his dad had gone to the games but he

1225
00:56:04,830 --> 00:56:03,670
really wanted him to see this game but

1226
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:04,840
he couldn't because he was out at

1227
00:56:13,890 --> 00:56:10,570
wright-patt and my grandmother was you

1228
00:56:15,950 --> 00:56:13,900
know sick on another occasion to where

1229
00:56:18,270 --> 00:56:15,960
she was in the hospital like I said and

1230
00:56:21,060 --> 00:56:18,280
he couldn't get ahold of him so when he

1231
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:21,070
came back grandfather came home and my

1232
00:56:26,220 --> 00:56:23,170
father just kind of let him have it

1233
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:26,230
he just said where were you we almost

1234
00:56:31,620 --> 00:56:29,370
lost mom I was here alone

1235
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:31,630
grandfather looks him in the eyes and he

1236
00:56:39,060 --> 00:56:35,130
says I told you I'm not always available

1237
00:56:41,610 --> 00:56:39,070
when when I go out on these TDY Z's

1238
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:41,620
temporary assignments and he says what

1239
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:42,730
do you mean you're not available there's

1240
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:45,970
phones everywhere and he said there's

1241
00:56:52,650 --> 00:56:48,370
not always phones where I'm working

1242
00:56:54,210 --> 00:56:52,660
underground and some people still debate

1243
00:56:57,420 --> 00:56:54,220
whether there's an underground complex

1244
00:56:58,590 --> 00:56:57,430
at wright-patterson that that to me is

1245
00:57:00,720 --> 00:56:58,600
not debatable

1246
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:00,730
you know dodge spent Tom Kerry's book

1247
00:57:05,970 --> 00:57:02,370
right

1248
00:57:08,750 --> 00:57:05,980
you know thoroughly describes people you

1249
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:08,760
know there's several several layers of

1250
00:57:16,410 --> 00:57:13,330
levels of hangers now they did this for

1251
00:57:17,790 --> 00:57:16,420
several reasons one of them was that

1252
00:57:20,370 --> 00:57:17,800
kind of played a shell game with the

1253
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:20,380
Russians in the Cold War so when the

1254
00:57:23,550 --> 00:57:21,760
satellites would fly over they didn't

1255
00:57:26,130 --> 00:57:23,560
want them to know how many jets they had

1256
00:57:27,450 --> 00:57:26,140
parked out in the tarmac so they'd bring

1257
00:57:31,740 --> 00:57:27,460
him in and they'd he take him down

1258
00:57:33,500 --> 00:57:31,750
several levels to Park him well so so my

1259
00:57:36,660 --> 00:57:33,510
dad you know just kind of put this away

1260
00:57:40,650 --> 00:57:36,670
didn't think much about it until the 90s

1261
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:40,660
when my grandfather contracted liver

1262
00:57:46,670 --> 00:57:43,210
cancer eventually spread to his brain

1263
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:46,680
and pancreas or prostate I believe and

1264
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:49,330
they would go to the gym to try and

1265
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:51,970
exercise and keep his health up as he

1266
00:57:55,530 --> 00:57:54,250
was going through chemo

1267
00:57:57,860 --> 00:57:55,540
they would also sit down and they'd

1268
00:58:01,680 --> 00:57:57,870
watch shows like unsolved mysteries and

1269
00:58:06,060 --> 00:58:01,690
this is when the we first really started

1270
00:58:08,220 --> 00:58:06,070
hearing about the Roswell account and

1271
00:58:11,250 --> 00:58:08,230
wright-patterson and so my dad would say

1272
00:58:12,510 --> 00:58:11,260
hey you were out there weren't you like

1273
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:12,520
is any of this true

1274
00:58:20,700 --> 00:58:16,690
and my grandfather generally would just

1275
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:20,710
kind of laugh it off you know he

1276
00:58:27,210 --> 00:58:24,400
sometimes would would just kind of get

1277
00:58:28,260 --> 00:58:27,220
uncomfortable this particular time when

1278
00:58:30,510 --> 00:58:28,270
they were at the gym

1279
00:58:35,100 --> 00:58:30,520
my father had asked him several things

1280
00:58:37,650 --> 00:58:35,110
and he looked at him and he said I think

1281
00:58:39,870 --> 00:58:37,660
it's time we go they were just having a

1282
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:39,880
great conversation enjoying themselves

1283
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:42,850
and he says it's time we leave so he

1284
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:45,280
knew when he says this you don't push

1285
00:58:53,940 --> 00:58:51,330
you know my grandfather so they left and

1286
00:58:57,540 --> 00:58:53,950
over the last little bit that we had him

1287
00:58:59,330 --> 00:58:57,550
alive there wasn't much of the subject

1288
00:59:01,970 --> 00:58:59,340
being brought up again except for

1289
00:59:04,830 --> 00:59:01,980
sometimes he would not his head yes

1290
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:04,840
that's interesting he would say you know

1291
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:06,730
on the TV shows when they talk about

1292
00:59:11,700 --> 00:59:09,130
something and then other times you'd say

1293
00:59:13,830 --> 00:59:11,710
that's that's completely BS they don't

1294
00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:13,840
know what they're talking about and that

1295
00:59:17,460 --> 00:59:15,760
kind of was away my dad thought he was

1296
00:59:19,530 --> 00:59:17,470
sort of confirming to him some things

1297
00:59:24,540 --> 00:59:19,540
but he never outright spoke about it

1298
00:59:32,370 --> 00:59:24,550
well fast forward now to I believe it

1299
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:32,380
was 1996 and I had gone out that night I

1300
00:59:37,260 --> 00:59:34,210
was planning on stopping by to see my

1301
00:59:39,900 --> 00:59:37,270
grandfather in the hospital and you know

1302
00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:39,910
cell phones were were rather new I think

1303
00:59:50,220 --> 00:59:45,040
I had a 30 minute plan so I had just

1304
00:59:51,780 --> 00:59:50,230
made a call to to my dad to see if I

1305
00:59:54,450 --> 00:59:51,790
could stop by the hospital on my way

1306
00:59:56,700 --> 00:59:54,460
home from a date and he said your

1307
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:56,710
grandfather's she actually just passed

1308
01:00:00,350 --> 00:59:57,450
away

1309
01:00:02,730 --> 01:00:00,360
sorry I missed him but I had an amazing

1310
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:02,740
experience with him I was here in the

1311
01:00:08,190 --> 01:00:06,850
room alone and he didn't tell me at that

1312
01:00:09,690 --> 01:00:08,200
time exactly what they

1313
01:00:13,020 --> 01:00:09,700
talked about because it was just one of

1314
01:00:15,089 --> 01:00:13,030
many things but he had been pretty

1315
01:00:19,740 --> 01:00:15,099
silent as you know he starts to breathe

1316
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:19,750
slower and and get closer and at one

1317
01:00:25,980 --> 01:00:23,410
point he took my dad's hand and he

1318
01:00:28,620 --> 01:00:25,990
looked him in the eyes and he said I

1319
01:00:31,710 --> 01:00:28,630
know what you've been asking me they

1320
01:00:37,980 --> 01:00:31,720
said son you need to know we're not

1321
01:00:39,930 --> 01:00:37,990
alone and don't be afraid and in the

1322
01:00:42,089 --> 01:00:39,940
context of it my dad is absolutely

1323
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:42,099
positive he wasn't talking about there's

1324
01:00:46,290 --> 01:00:43,450
life after death

1325
01:00:48,930 --> 01:00:46,300
you know they already believed had a

1326
01:00:50,220 --> 01:00:48,940
strong belief in that he was talking

1327
01:00:52,650 --> 01:00:50,230
about all the things he had been

1328
01:00:55,890 --> 01:00:52,660
pestering and about his work and

1329
01:00:58,200 --> 01:00:55,900
everything else and he maintained his

1330
01:00:59,700 --> 01:00:58,210
oath I mean my dad and I haven't I've

1331
01:01:01,650 --> 01:00:59,710
always kind of searched around the house

1332
01:01:05,700 --> 01:01:01,660
looking for like the national treasure

1333
01:01:07,500 --> 01:01:05,710
you know looking for a clue maybe he

1334
01:01:10,410 --> 01:01:07,510
left us something and all we've been

1335
01:01:12,690 --> 01:01:10,420
able to come up with really is we've

1336
01:01:14,309 --> 01:01:12,700
been able to line up and it's it's

1337
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:14,319
speculative of course but we've been

1338
01:01:16,380 --> 01:01:15,760
able to line up the times that he was

1339
01:01:19,740 --> 01:01:16,390
gone

1340
01:01:21,780 --> 01:01:19,750
to some actual events that you know in

1341
01:01:24,420 --> 01:01:21,790
in my mind it would be great if it were

1342
01:01:27,210 --> 01:01:24,430
actually meant something but for example

1343
01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:27,220
we have night 1965

1344
01:01:33,809 --> 01:01:29,680
December I believe it was we have the

1345
01:01:35,940 --> 01:01:33,819
Kecksburg Pennsylvania yeah well he was

1346
01:01:37,559 --> 01:01:35,950
called just uh just one or two days

1347
01:01:39,450 --> 01:01:37,569
after that event and was called out to

1348
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:39,460
wright-patterson you know we have

1349
01:01:44,609 --> 01:01:42,160
witnesses saying that that debris went

1350
01:01:47,579 --> 01:01:44,619
through the back gate into right path

1351
01:01:49,950 --> 01:01:47,589
and he was gone for a good week or two

1352
01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:49,960
after that event and and we were getting

1353
01:01:54,870 --> 01:01:52,240
into finding more about what he did and

1354
01:01:57,900 --> 01:01:54,880
his work and basically he was a

1355
01:02:01,680 --> 01:01:57,910
logistical technician for for projects

1356
01:02:05,339 --> 01:02:01,690
and inventory and and for new equipment

1357
01:02:07,650 --> 01:02:05,349
so when a new project was it would come

1358
01:02:10,470 --> 01:02:07,660
in they had to allocate space for it and

1359
01:02:11,940 --> 01:02:10,480
and all of the Air Force's assets had to

1360
01:02:17,359 --> 01:02:11,950
be inventoried in their computer

1361
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:17,369
database so he was one of the key guys

1362
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:20,050
across the country that that knew the

1363
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:21,970
system inside and out and

1364
01:02:28,650 --> 01:02:25,090
helped new ways of inventory and

1365
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:28,660
allocating resources and you have to ask

1366
01:02:34,770 --> 01:02:31,090
yourself well there's either one of only

1367
01:02:36,180 --> 01:02:34,780
one of him or there's some reason while

1368
01:02:38,910 --> 01:02:36,190
they're pulling people in from across

1369
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:38,920
the country clear across the country to

1370
01:02:43,740 --> 01:02:40,690
work for only a week or two on special

1371
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:43,750
things right had that kind of tends to

1372
01:02:47,660 --> 01:02:46,480
you know go along with how the

1373
01:02:50,430 --> 01:02:47,670
government operates in

1374
01:02:52,410 --> 01:02:50,440
compartmentalization uh-huh

1375
01:02:54,750 --> 01:02:52,420
been you know you've told me that story

1376
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:54,760
twice and I gotta tell you I get I get

1377
01:03:00,150 --> 01:02:57,490
goose bumps and I can't I can't remember

1378
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:00,160
any other time on the show I get this

1379
01:03:04,890 --> 01:03:02,890
bonus so thank you so we're gonna take a

1380
01:03:07,230 --> 01:03:04,900
quick little music break here but we're

1381
01:03:10,260 --> 01:03:07,240
going to be right back and I'd like to

1382
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:10,270
talk to you about some shows and what

1383
01:03:20,750 --> 01:03:13,250
you're up to so hang on just one minute

1384
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:39,670
[Music]

1385
01:03:44,750 --> 01:03:42,800
all right we're back with Ben Hansen and

1386
01:03:49,070 --> 01:03:44,760
our two we've got them for just a little

1387
01:03:51,590 --> 01:03:49,080
while here so Ben last time you and I

1388
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:51,600
spoke on this show I can't remember

1389
01:03:58,040 --> 01:03:54,810
exactly how long ago it was but you were

1390
01:04:00,980 --> 01:03:58,050
I think you were creating a pilot

1391
01:04:02,690 --> 01:04:00,990
perhaps and I just wanted to find out

1392
01:04:04,430 --> 01:04:02,700
what's going on in your life these days

1393
01:04:08,570 --> 01:04:04,440
what you're what you're up to because

1394
01:04:10,210 --> 01:04:08,580
you've been very nice in your emails and

1395
01:04:14,420 --> 01:04:10,220
everything but you've been extremely

1396
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:14,430
busy or all over the world what are you

1397
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:21,090
doing yeah I I sometimes yeah I do feel

1398
01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:23,970
bad when I have to just you know when I

1399
01:04:27,860 --> 01:04:26,400
first got into the it's not like I

1400
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:27,870
haven't been busy in my life before but

1401
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:29,130
what they got in a Hollywood business

1402
01:04:34,670 --> 01:04:31,770
that was one thing that I really didn't

1403
01:04:36,380 --> 01:04:34,680
like about people is that the executive

1404
01:04:40,220 --> 01:04:36,390
producers and stuff would respond with

1405
01:04:42,740 --> 01:04:40,230
like one line like yep looks good no see

1406
01:04:45,500 --> 01:04:42,750
Tuesday nope no word and I'm like that

1407
01:04:49,610 --> 01:04:45,510
is rude and and I'm afraid way that I'm

1408
01:04:54,170 --> 01:04:49,620
becoming that type of a person because I

1409
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:54,180
kind of see how it's you just get

1410
01:04:59,060 --> 01:04:55,530
overwhelmed because you have to have

1411
01:05:02,210 --> 01:04:59,070
your hand in so many things and you know

1412
01:05:06,260 --> 01:05:02,220
like you got a siren going on outside

1413
01:05:07,670 --> 01:05:06,270
apologize yeah what if one of the the

1414
01:05:10,610 --> 01:05:07,680
pilots that we were filming we've

1415
01:05:12,890 --> 01:05:10,620
probably got let me think here we

1416
01:05:17,540 --> 01:05:12,900
finished a sizzle that we're pitching a

1417
01:05:20,150 --> 01:05:17,550
new a new UFO kind of docu-series which

1418
01:05:22,190 --> 01:05:20,160
I really really believe in I can't talk

1419
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:22,200
a whole lot about it but I'm working

1420
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:23,490
with some people and I'm sure you'd

1421
01:05:31,100 --> 01:05:28,890
recognize and I've been asked by I think

1422
01:05:34,100 --> 01:05:31,110
four or five different shows now to be

1423
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:34,110
considered hosting new shows in a

1424
01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:36,930
similar vein you know sort of conspiracy

1425
01:05:42,980 --> 01:05:41,520
related or mystery related and you know

1426
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:42,990
it's kind of like you just see which

1427
01:05:48,020 --> 01:05:46,290
horse comes out first we uh you know

1428
01:05:50,630 --> 01:05:48,030
pitching our own and and other people

1429
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:50,640
pitching to us so eventually I think

1430
01:05:55,350 --> 01:05:52,570
something will work out but

1431
01:05:57,390 --> 01:05:55,360
that doesn't pay the bills so you know I

1432
01:06:01,200 --> 01:05:57,400
bet I have been touring and traveling I

1433
01:06:02,820 --> 01:06:01,210
have yet to to write a book lease

1434
01:06:05,070 --> 01:06:02,830
Spiegel and I have joked about it we

1435
01:06:06,300 --> 01:06:05,080
should write one together well that

1436
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:06,310
would be that would be a great book I'd

1437
01:06:13,410 --> 01:06:10,170
buy that oh thank you yeah it's

1438
01:06:15,180 --> 01:06:13,420
something I want to do but it's it's

1439
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:15,190
just kind of bad plus I have my night

1440
01:06:23,490 --> 01:06:17,890
vision business at night vision ops calm

1441
01:06:25,380 --> 01:06:23,500
and that that is is starting to a kind

1442
01:06:29,550 --> 01:06:25,390
of go abs and flows because it's it's

1443
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:29,560
kind of like a plant that I neglect and

1444
01:06:33,530 --> 01:06:31,090
I just kind of leave it out there and

1445
01:06:35,940 --> 01:06:33,540
then I'll have some UFO conferences and

1446
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:35,950
we'll put out the new stuff and then I

1447
01:06:40,470 --> 01:06:37,570
kind of leave it again because I get so

1448
01:06:48,210 --> 01:06:40,480
busy and now that I'm married maybe I

1449
01:06:49,410 --> 01:06:48,220
can assign some duties to the wife you

1450
01:06:54,300 --> 01:06:49,420
know it's funny you were talking about

1451
01:06:56,550 --> 01:06:54,310
the email and besides in my life during

1452
01:06:59,910 --> 01:06:56,560
the day I'm involved in a start-up keeps

1453
01:07:03,540 --> 01:06:59,920
me extremely busy and I'm thinking I get

1454
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:03,550
between 800 to 900 emails a week so I

1455
01:07:09,300 --> 01:07:06,690
understand about I understand about

1456
01:07:11,820 --> 01:07:09,310
short I may be exaggerating this it's

1457
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:11,830
not I know I get I get sometimes a

1458
01:07:18,330 --> 01:07:15,610
hundred plus a day so a lot of times I

1459
01:07:20,610 --> 01:07:18,340
will throw back very brief emails and

1460
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:20,620
and unfortunately I don't know if this

1461
01:07:25,590 --> 01:07:22,690
happens to you and maybe it's my a DD I

1462
01:07:27,990 --> 01:07:25,600
don't know but when I open an email and

1463
01:07:31,620 --> 01:07:28,000
it's like 14 pages long I can't I can't

1464
01:07:34,530 --> 01:07:31,630
do it it's true it's true and the

1465
01:07:37,740 --> 01:07:34,540
Facebook messages for people who want to

1466
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:37,750
contact me on Facebook brief is good you

1467
01:07:39,630 --> 01:07:38,890
know I don't I don't need to hear the

1468
01:07:43,260 --> 01:07:39,640
whole life story

1469
01:07:45,870 --> 01:07:43,270
it it helps if they first say can I tell

1470
01:07:49,290 --> 01:07:45,880
you something yeah and that I say how

1471
01:07:51,900 --> 01:07:49,300
long is it you know like if you want me

1472
01:07:54,690 --> 01:07:51,910
to analyze a photo or video I can do it

1473
01:07:57,540 --> 01:07:54,700
when I have time and I'll tell them it's

1474
01:08:00,840 --> 01:07:57,550
just that when you have like you said

1475
01:08:03,930 --> 01:08:00,850
you know 20 people a week or more just

1476
01:08:05,730 --> 01:08:03,940
wanting to look at photos and videos it

1477
01:08:06,190 --> 01:08:05,740
adds up it's and a lot of times they

1478
01:08:09,339 --> 01:08:06,200
don't want to

1479
01:08:11,319 --> 01:08:09,349
hear what you have to say I know that is

1480
01:08:13,349 --> 01:08:11,329
true if you're not talking with them if

1481
01:08:16,090 --> 01:08:13,359
you're not saying what they want to hear

1482
01:08:19,959 --> 01:08:16,100
they either one get mad at you or go on

1483
01:08:22,269 --> 01:08:19,969
to the next person basically speaking of

1484
01:08:23,829 --> 01:08:22,279
that that is a topic I did want to talk

1485
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:23,839
to you about the time just seemed to fly

1486
01:08:29,559 --> 01:08:26,410
by here but I know a lot of times

1487
01:08:33,630 --> 01:08:29,569
Alejandro and I talk and and he'll say

1488
01:08:35,950 --> 01:08:33,640
you know mark if D Antonio by the way

1489
01:08:38,050 --> 01:08:35,960
let's have some good thoughts for mark

1490
01:08:42,700 --> 01:08:38,060
he's not he's not doing well

1491
01:08:45,729 --> 01:08:42,710
I found out this week and I am hoping he

1492
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:45,739
recovers well he's he has some health

1493
01:08:51,309 --> 01:08:48,650
issues and we can all just hope that

1494
01:08:54,190 --> 01:08:51,319
he'll recover soon he's a great guy and

1495
01:08:56,229 --> 01:08:54,200
thank you yeah I I'd heard he was in the

1496
01:08:59,530 --> 01:08:56,239
hospital I I didn't know what the latest

1497
01:09:01,930 --> 01:08:59,540
update though yeah had some heart issues

1498
01:09:06,070 --> 01:09:01,940
and we can just hope that he pulls

1499
01:09:09,190 --> 01:09:06,080
through okay so but I hear a lot of

1500
01:09:11,650 --> 01:09:09,200
times from from Alejandro he'll say oh

1501
01:09:14,979 --> 01:09:11,660
yeah mark D Antonio looked at this and

1502
01:09:16,809 --> 01:09:14,989
he has this opinion and then Ben Hansen

1503
01:09:18,999 --> 01:09:16,819
looked at it and he thinks it's a drone

1504
01:09:21,599 --> 01:09:19,009
and you know they agree on it they don't

1505
01:09:24,849 --> 01:09:21,609
agree on it

1506
01:09:27,999 --> 01:09:24,859
so I imagine that that takes up a lot of

1507
01:09:32,590 --> 01:09:28,009
your time sort of like doing analysis on

1508
01:09:34,300 --> 01:09:32,600
things it does and and Lee knows that we

1509
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:34,310
love it we love it when he sends his

1510
01:09:41,079 --> 01:09:37,489
stuff he's like my second wife it just

1511
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:41,089
yeah my my first wife doesn't really

1512
01:09:45,519 --> 01:09:44,330
like it because she'll and no offense if

1513
01:09:48,309 --> 01:09:45,529
if Lee's listening

1514
01:09:50,019 --> 01:09:48,319
she loves Lee Lee loves her but but

1515
01:09:52,570 --> 01:09:50,029
sometimes we'll be out on our date you

1516
01:09:55,090 --> 01:09:52,580
know or something and and Lee calls and

1517
01:09:59,470 --> 01:09:55,100
I'm like I gotta answer she's likely can

1518
01:10:02,170 --> 01:09:59,480
wait you know like but he's got a story

1519
01:10:04,959 --> 01:10:02,180
I'm sure he's got something is like yes

1520
01:10:06,850 --> 01:10:04,969
but Lee likes to chat a lot and and you

1521
01:10:08,709 --> 01:10:06,860
guys will I you know you'll talk for

1522
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:08,719
like an hour and I was like okay okay

1523
01:10:11,010 --> 01:10:10,400
let me just tell him that I'll call him

1524
01:10:15,250 --> 01:10:11,020
back

1525
01:10:17,290 --> 01:10:15,260
so I I love Lee he's such a he's such a

1526
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:17,300
great guy I had him on the show a while

1527
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:20,090
back and it's so funny it's like when my

1528
01:10:25,150 --> 01:10:23,330
show ends I am editing and putting

1529
01:10:27,550 --> 01:10:25,160
together the full show and the separate

1530
01:10:31,150 --> 01:10:27,560
show and everything and then a YouTube

1531
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:31,160
video with its just audio but it's you

1532
01:10:35,740 --> 01:10:33,890
know put on YouTube so I'm up another

1533
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:35,750
like hour and a half two hours sometimes

1534
01:10:40,900 --> 01:10:37,610
you know just doing that after every

1535
01:10:43,150 --> 01:10:40,910
single show and after I have my show

1536
01:10:47,140 --> 01:10:43,160
with Lee we talked for almost two hours

1537
01:10:49,330 --> 01:10:47,150
on the phone yeah he's just a lot of fun

1538
01:10:52,180 --> 01:10:49,340
he's you know he is it has a great

1539
01:10:55,870 --> 01:10:52,190
storytelling voice I always like it

1540
01:11:00,870 --> 01:10:55,880
sounds like it was a bull lives

1541
01:11:03,610 --> 01:11:00,880
the Christmas song guy so yeah he calls

1542
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:03,620
yeah usually about once a week or so and

1543
01:11:08,670 --> 01:11:06,530
he might have something and it does take

1544
01:11:13,390 --> 01:11:08,680
a little a little bit of time but I

1545
01:11:16,060 --> 01:11:13,400
consider it a pleasure because it keeps

1546
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:16,070
me relevant in in what's going on and

1547
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:17,690
when people ask me did what do you think

1548
01:11:21,940 --> 01:11:20,090
about this or that a lot of times I only

1549
01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:21,950
know about it because Lee has forwarded

1550
01:11:27,970 --> 01:11:25,450
it to me so it keeps my skills sharp and

1551
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:27,980
it gives me more material if we ever

1552
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:32,330
decide to write a book right right so

1553
01:11:39,490 --> 01:11:37,610
right now as far as the I just want to

1554
01:11:41,410 --> 01:11:39,500
ask you there was a show you mentioned

1555
01:11:43,750 --> 01:11:41,420
and is it the same show you were talking

1556
01:11:45,730 --> 01:11:43,760
about the last time we talked it sounds

1557
01:11:49,890 --> 01:11:45,740
similar or was there something else in

1558
01:11:52,660 --> 01:11:49,900
the works I'm not sure we had UFOs

1559
01:11:56,620 --> 01:11:52,670
Declassified is on the History Channel

1560
01:12:00,160 --> 01:11:56,630
and we I filmed a couple episodes with

1561
01:12:06,180 --> 01:12:00,170
them I think I only made the edit in one

1562
01:12:08,350 --> 01:12:06,190
episode but it's it aired six six in in

1563
01:12:11,380 --> 01:12:08,360
Canada and the interesting thing is the

1564
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:11,390
Smithsonian and us bought it as well but

1565
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:13,970
they as of yet have not aired it they

1566
01:12:22,300 --> 01:12:17,930
had some problems shall we say just

1567
01:12:23,890 --> 01:12:22,310
agreeing on on the content no I'm not

1568
01:12:26,290 --> 01:12:23,900
I'm not insinuating any type of

1569
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:26,300
conspiracy we love the Smithsonian for

1570
01:12:32,140 --> 01:12:28,730
for having even considered this because

1571
01:12:33,850 --> 01:12:32,150
it's very non-conventional for them

1572
01:12:37,030 --> 01:12:33,860
right but but even

1573
01:12:39,430 --> 01:12:37,040
considering it it's great it's just that

1574
01:12:42,700 --> 01:12:39,440
from what I hear there had been a lot of

1575
01:12:44,350 --> 01:12:42,710
edits and so they don't know if it's

1576
01:12:47,350 --> 01:12:44,360
actually going to air on the Smithsonian

1577
01:12:49,359 --> 01:12:47,360
anymore wow that's too bad yeah because

1578
01:12:51,550 --> 01:12:49,369
I think that's the the piece I remember

1579
01:12:54,820 --> 01:12:51,560
something about that if you're listening

1580
01:12:57,580 --> 01:12:54,830
live you can call in we have been on

1581
01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:57,590
just for a few more minutes and call in

1582
01:13:06,879 --> 01:13:01,360
at six oh three nine six seven four

1583
01:13:11,410 --> 01:13:06,889
o3o and then do people just associate

1584
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:11,420
you with fact or faked you know i'm is

1585
01:13:14,979 --> 01:13:13,010
that what you get the most when someone

1586
01:13:18,070 --> 01:13:14,989
sees you or i mean that was a pretty

1587
01:13:21,070 --> 01:13:18,080
popular show wasn't it yeah it was and

1588
01:13:23,770 --> 01:13:21,080
that's by far the thing I'm most known

1589
01:13:27,209 --> 01:13:23,780
for yeah I if people were to recognize

1590
01:13:30,490 --> 01:13:27,219
me that's that's what I'm known for but

1591
01:13:34,060 --> 01:13:30,500
it's you know like UFOs Declassified I

1592
01:13:35,020 --> 01:13:34,070
was just up in Vancouver Canada and so

1593
01:13:38,140 --> 01:13:35,030
they're the ones that have been watching

1594
01:13:40,180 --> 01:13:38,150
that one you know down in Australia

1595
01:13:44,490 --> 01:13:40,190
they're still showing reruns of our last

1596
01:13:47,530 --> 01:13:44,500
season hmm down there as well so I

1597
01:13:51,010 --> 01:13:47,540
really had not done anything in in TV

1598
01:13:53,010 --> 01:13:51,020
you know prior to that so a lot of the

1599
01:13:58,030 --> 01:13:53,020
conference's that I get asked to though

1600
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:58,040
they don't should I say well I want to

1601
01:14:02,530 --> 01:13:59,600
say advertised but I really want to say

1602
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:02,540
exploit they don't really exploit the

1603
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:05,360
title as much because they're they're

1604
01:14:10,359 --> 01:14:08,570
more academic it you tend to find that

1605
01:14:13,899 --> 01:14:10,369
the UFO conferences are more academic

1606
01:14:15,340 --> 01:14:13,909
than fan-based which is great because

1607
01:14:16,780 --> 01:14:15,350
they want to hear what have you done

1608
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:16,790
recently what have you researched

1609
01:14:22,419 --> 01:14:20,810
recently and you know at first when I

1610
01:14:25,060 --> 01:14:22,429
started doing a circuit I was drawing

1611
01:14:27,340 --> 01:14:25,070
upon stories of things we did on the

1612
01:14:30,669 --> 01:14:27,350
show but since then I've been drawing

1613
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:30,679
upon videos you know that people have

1614
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:33,050
sent me the analysis on on the

1615
01:14:38,500 --> 01:14:34,850
interviews and things like that so

1616
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:38,510
that's kind of the niche that that that

1617
01:14:44,530 --> 01:14:40,850
I've taken is kind of the especially the

1618
01:14:47,500 --> 01:14:44,540
hoaxing aspect of it and what I

1619
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:47,510
developed with a profiling system of

1620
01:14:51,669 --> 01:14:49,489
of trying to categorize why people do

1621
01:14:55,919 --> 01:14:51,679
things and and what we can do to kind of

1622
01:14:58,419 --> 01:14:55,929
spot the hoaxes right now here's a

1623
01:15:01,660 --> 01:14:58,429
question up on the message board has

1624
01:15:04,810 --> 01:15:01,670
there ever been any footage on fact or

1625
01:15:07,750 --> 01:15:04,820
faked that the producers have had to shy

1626
01:15:10,740 --> 01:15:07,760
away from for any reason other than you

1627
01:15:14,459 --> 01:15:10,750
know not being newsworthy

1628
01:15:17,339 --> 01:15:14,469
yeah there's actually a few things and

1629
01:15:20,229 --> 01:15:17,349
I'm sure it's it's okay to talk about

1630
01:15:23,290 --> 01:15:20,239
they don't like you to know you know how

1631
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:23,300
the sausage is made behind the scenes

1632
01:15:28,209 --> 01:15:25,449
meaning they don't want you to know that

1633
01:15:31,060 --> 01:15:28,219
what they call the fourth wall okay so

1634
01:15:33,580 --> 01:15:31,070
yeah they want you to be in the moment

1635
01:15:36,209 --> 01:15:33,590
and to imagine this is just us there's

1636
01:15:38,169 --> 01:15:36,219
not camera people filming us and so

1637
01:15:41,140 --> 01:15:38,179
there was one thing that was interesting

1638
01:15:45,850 --> 01:15:41,150
we were filming a I wasn't there it was

1639
01:15:50,319 --> 01:15:45,860
a ghost case though it was a bar where

1640
01:15:53,140 --> 01:15:50,329
an ashtray exploded on camera and when

1641
01:15:57,399 --> 01:15:53,150
my team went back to replicate that we

1642
01:15:59,109 --> 01:15:57,409
were filming actually a wide shot is

1643
01:16:01,720 --> 01:15:59,119
what I think picked it up and so you see

1644
01:16:05,049 --> 01:16:01,730
the cameraman there I think they were

1645
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:05,059
just about to set up what we call an OT

1646
01:16:09,220 --> 01:16:07,010
f4 on the fly where you're talking to

1647
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:09,230
cam ranh you're saying we're gonna set

1648
01:16:12,850 --> 01:16:10,730
up this experiment over here and do this

1649
01:16:16,529 --> 01:16:12,860
in blah blah blah well as they're

1650
01:16:19,299 --> 01:16:16,539
setting that up one of these wineglasses

1651
01:16:23,140 --> 01:16:19,309
that was on a rack hanging above the bar

1652
01:16:26,319 --> 01:16:23,150
flew off of the rack and came flying off

1653
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:26,329
and broke and it was amazing because

1654
01:16:29,319 --> 01:16:28,610
this is what allegedly occurred object

1655
01:16:32,799 --> 01:16:29,329
manipulation

1656
01:16:35,500 --> 01:16:32,809
you know the ashtray and great catch the

1657
01:16:39,100 --> 01:16:35,510
the footage it it was captured on video

1658
01:16:40,930 --> 01:16:39,110
but when they went back to the edit the

1659
01:16:42,669 --> 01:16:40,940
producers loved it but it's got to go

1660
01:16:44,350 --> 01:16:42,679
through several layers you know to the

1661
01:16:48,430 --> 01:16:44,360
network and stuff and we love our

1662
01:16:49,959 --> 01:16:48,440
network execs I'll say that we do but

1663
01:16:52,270 --> 01:16:49,969
but see they have something else they're

1664
01:16:53,620 --> 01:16:52,280
looking out for and because they weren't

1665
01:16:55,839 --> 01:16:53,630
there

1666
01:16:58,959 --> 01:16:55,849
they weren't insinuating that we faked

1667
01:17:01,000 --> 01:16:58,969
this but what they're saying was if we

1668
01:17:01,270 --> 01:17:01,010
air this and it's the same thing that

1669
01:17:04,030 --> 01:17:01,280
have

1670
01:17:07,270 --> 01:17:04,040
in Indiana people won't believe this is

1671
01:17:10,420 --> 01:17:07,280
real it's almost like it's too good to

1672
01:17:12,790 --> 01:17:10,430
be true and we're simple this isn't it

1673
01:17:14,950 --> 01:17:12,800
just like imported it's almost like if

1674
01:17:15,460 --> 01:17:14,960
you have a film of a UFO and it's too

1675
01:17:19,510 --> 01:17:15,470
good

1676
01:17:22,780 --> 01:17:19,520
who the hell's gonna believe it yeah GI

1677
01:17:25,390 --> 01:17:22,790
it's whatever you know exactly and their

1678
01:17:28,660 --> 01:17:25,400
contention here was well the camera guys

1679
01:17:30,490 --> 01:17:28,670
in the shot as well and they're like you

1680
01:17:32,620 --> 01:17:30,500
know can you go back

1681
01:17:34,570 --> 01:17:32,630
what do you wants to fly back and ask

1682
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:34,580
whatever spirit or whatever did this -

1683
01:17:41,290 --> 01:17:36,250
do it again

1684
01:17:44,710 --> 01:17:41,300
Wow you know so that's anyways you know

1685
01:17:46,990 --> 01:17:44,720
I gotta say and I I don't think I've

1686
01:17:49,750 --> 01:17:47,000
ever said it on this show but I actually

1687
01:17:53,710 --> 01:17:49,760
had something happen to me

1688
01:17:57,490 --> 01:17:53,720
that is totally unexplainable and along

1689
01:17:59,320 --> 01:17:57,500
those lines and and I would you know I

1690
01:18:02,230 --> 01:17:59,330
would take any lie detector test

1691
01:18:03,700 --> 01:18:02,240
anything any one thing anyone ever wants

1692
01:18:07,330 --> 01:18:03,710
to do you could stare at me what I'm

1693
01:18:10,480 --> 01:18:07,340
telling you the story it happened to me

1694
01:18:12,490 --> 01:18:10,490
and you know what I'm gonna leave the

1695
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:12,500
listener hanging and if you want to hear

1696
01:18:19,870 --> 01:18:13,570
it

1697
01:18:21,250 --> 01:18:19,880
open minds the last show last Monday so

1698
01:18:22,570 --> 01:18:21,260
if you want to hear the story you can

1699
01:18:25,570 --> 01:18:22,580
listen to it there and it really did

1700
01:18:28,810 --> 01:18:25,580
happen it was absolutely bizarre and

1701
01:18:31,630 --> 01:18:28,820
unexplainable there has to be some type

1702
01:18:34,380 --> 01:18:31,640
of explanation but I just don't know it

1703
01:18:38,530 --> 01:18:34,390
was it was it related to to go stunning

1704
01:18:41,110 --> 01:18:38,540
yes something am I gonna have to say it

1705
01:18:42,460 --> 01:18:41,120
don't see what the child says do you

1706
01:18:44,890 --> 01:18:42,470
want to hear it I'll just tell it again

1707
01:18:45,490 --> 01:18:44,900
people that I've already heard do you

1708
01:18:47,950 --> 01:18:45,500
have time

1709
01:18:50,500 --> 01:18:47,960
I do I was just gonna I was gonna throw

1710
01:18:53,350 --> 01:18:50,510
in there maybe it's you saw it with

1711
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:53,360
Alejandro or no no he made me talk about

1712
01:18:59,710 --> 01:18:56,210
it Oh gotcha cuz because she might be a

1713
01:19:03,820 --> 01:18:59,720
magnet himself when I was at the Roswell

1714
01:19:05,530 --> 01:19:03,830
UFO festival when the day closed at the

1715
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:05,540
very end of the conference we we had

1716
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:07,610
heard that the the museum itself is

1717
01:19:12,910 --> 01:19:10,970
haunted and we decided to go do a little

1718
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:12,920
investigation upstairs because it used

1719
01:19:21,069 --> 01:19:14,449
to be a movie theater

1720
01:19:24,879 --> 01:19:21,079
and so as Alejandro and his girlfriends

1721
01:19:26,770 --> 01:19:24,889
and Maureen I think I don't think Jason

1722
01:19:28,209 --> 01:19:26,780
was there anyways

1723
01:19:29,649 --> 01:19:28,219
they're all looking at me and I'm

1724
01:19:33,149 --> 01:19:29,659
looking down the hallway the other

1725
01:19:36,910 --> 01:19:33,159
direction and I saw a dark figure

1726
01:19:42,879 --> 01:19:36,920
probably a about six foot tall was sort

1727
01:19:46,540 --> 01:19:42,889
of a cloak trailing behind no no no

1728
01:19:48,489 --> 01:19:46,550
detail just the outline form walk from

1729
01:19:52,839 --> 01:19:48,499
one side of the hall to the other and

1730
01:19:55,089 --> 01:19:52,849
disappear Wow and I jumped up I ran down

1731
01:19:56,949 --> 01:19:55,099
there I turned the corner and there's an

1732
01:19:59,080 --> 01:19:56,959
open doorway where it looked like it

1733
01:20:02,109 --> 01:19:59,090
came out of but the other side is a wall

1734
01:20:05,770 --> 01:20:02,119
and it went right through the wall Jesus

1735
01:20:07,689 --> 01:20:05,780
so that can you imagine being a little

1736
01:20:08,020 --> 01:20:07,699
kid and seeing that you'd never sleep

1737
01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:08,030
again

1738
01:20:13,930 --> 01:20:10,880
you know all right so I'm gonna just

1739
01:20:17,529 --> 01:20:13,940
tell the story because it really

1740
01:20:19,299 --> 01:20:17,539
happened and so anyway years ago I

1741
01:20:22,810 --> 01:20:19,309
I grew up in the antiques and Fine Arts

1742
01:20:26,229 --> 01:20:22,820
and auction business mainly and years

1743
01:20:27,969 --> 01:20:26,239
ago I I got a call from a lawyer that

1744
01:20:29,979 --> 01:20:27,979
wanted me to take antiques out of a

1745
01:20:33,250 --> 01:20:29,989
house it wasn't an old house or anything

1746
01:20:35,379 --> 01:20:33,260
probably the 1940s so I looked and there

1747
01:20:36,910 --> 01:20:35,389
were you know some decent things and it

1748
01:20:39,939 --> 01:20:36,920
was a slow time of year was the winter

1749
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:39,949
so I said I tell you I'll tell you what

1750
01:20:42,969 --> 01:20:41,449
I says I'll I'll get a crew in there

1751
01:20:44,919 --> 01:20:42,979
we'll clean it out and charge you you

1752
01:20:47,319 --> 01:20:44,929
know so much money to clean it out after

1753
01:20:49,739 --> 01:20:47,329
we take the antique so take stuff to the

1754
01:20:53,109 --> 01:20:49,749
dump sweep it down get it ready to sell

1755
01:20:56,709 --> 01:20:53,119
so no problem he said yeah go ahead and

1756
01:20:58,719 --> 01:20:56,719
do that so I had I had two crew a small

1757
01:21:00,879 --> 01:20:58,729
crew that day was just two other people

1758
01:21:03,910 --> 01:21:00,889
and myself and I was upstairs in one of

1759
01:21:06,580 --> 01:21:03,920
the bedrooms and what they had done is

1760
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:06,590
they put in this green ugly carpet and I

1761
01:21:11,709 --> 01:21:09,050
had well I want to first say that there

1762
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:11,719
was absolutely no win that day it was

1763
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:15,050
early I think it was like February March

1764
01:21:19,689 --> 01:21:17,570
or something like that and so all the

1765
01:21:21,129 --> 01:21:19,699
windows were down in the room the storm

1766
01:21:23,890 --> 01:21:21,139
windows in New England they were down

1767
01:21:25,899 --> 01:21:23,900
and so I pulled the door open to the

1768
01:21:27,580 --> 01:21:25,909
closet and the door was hung up on the

1769
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:27,590
carpet they never they never cut the

1770
01:21:29,890 --> 01:21:28,010
door when

1771
01:21:31,690 --> 01:21:29,900
put the carpet in so I had to really

1772
01:21:34,030 --> 01:21:31,700
yank the door really really hard to get

1773
01:21:35,860 --> 01:21:34,040
it open and I'm taking stuff out of the

1774
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:35,870
closet putting it in a garbage bag

1775
01:21:39,430 --> 01:21:38,690
mostly coat hangers and hat boxes and

1776
01:21:43,150 --> 01:21:39,440
stuff like that

1777
01:21:45,310 --> 01:21:43,160
and I fill up the bag and I tie it up I

1778
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:45,320
walk out into the hallway and all of a

1779
01:21:51,700 --> 01:21:48,650
sudden slam as loud as can be and I walk

1780
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:51,710
back in and I look and the door was shut

1781
01:21:57,610 --> 01:21:54,770
so just to be sure I walked over to the

1782
01:22:00,730 --> 01:21:57,620
door and I pulled it back and it's

1783
01:22:03,550 --> 01:22:00,740
really pulling really hard on the carpet

1784
01:22:07,150 --> 01:22:03,560
and I go oh my god and just just just

1785
01:22:10,930 --> 01:22:07,160
before that I had slid the broom down

1786
01:22:15,100 --> 01:22:10,940
the stairway because I was done sweeping

1787
01:22:16,330 --> 01:22:15,110
and so just just after I pulled the door

1788
01:22:18,010 --> 01:22:16,340
and say I'm gonna get out of there at

1789
01:22:20,260 --> 01:22:18,020
the front door slam downstairs again

1790
01:22:21,700 --> 01:22:20,270
there was no win that day I walked down

1791
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:21,710
to the bottom of the stairs and the

1792
01:22:29,170 --> 01:22:25,690
broom is leaning up against the door so

1793
01:22:31,180 --> 01:22:29,180
then the very last thing so one of the

1794
01:22:32,740 --> 01:22:31,190
workers came back and I told him the

1795
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:32,750
story and he was walking around me going

1796
01:22:37,150 --> 01:22:34,970
whew you know trying you know making a

1797
01:22:39,190 --> 01:22:37,160
real joke of it and I said no I'm not

1798
01:22:42,130 --> 01:22:39,200
gonna be in this house alone I want to

1799
01:22:44,590 --> 01:22:42,140
get the hell out of here so we cleaned

1800
01:22:47,830 --> 01:22:44,600
the place out there was a truck backed

1801
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:47,840
up like a trailer backed up and heat the

1802
01:22:53,410 --> 01:22:49,970
worker says alright I'll see you later

1803
01:22:56,860 --> 01:22:53,420
he takes off with his stuff and next

1804
01:22:58,480 --> 01:22:56,870
thing you know there's I look around

1805
01:23:01,510 --> 01:22:58,490
there's only one thing left and the

1806
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:01,520
whole garage area and it's a it's a

1807
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:04,370
basket so I reach over to pick up the

1808
01:23:08,830 --> 01:23:06,890
basket and it won't budge and I'm

1809
01:23:11,140 --> 01:23:08,840
thinking wow stuck to the floor saw it I

1810
01:23:13,210 --> 01:23:11,150
pull it really hard and it breaks in

1811
01:23:16,420 --> 01:23:13,220
half and the top half is in my hand and

1812
01:23:18,820 --> 01:23:16,430
I toss it in the and the trailer and all

1813
01:23:20,470 --> 01:23:18,830
of a sudden I just think oh and I'll

1814
01:23:22,030 --> 01:23:20,480
walk over and I tap it with my foot and

1815
01:23:26,380 --> 01:23:22,040
it was loose on the floor wasn't even

1816
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:26,390
attached the way did the second half the

1817
01:23:30,610 --> 01:23:28,250
second the bottom half that stuck to the

1818
01:23:33,970 --> 01:23:30,620
floor was not attached to anything when

1819
01:23:36,670 --> 01:23:33,980
I tapped it with my foot it just slid so

1820
01:23:40,210 --> 01:23:36,680
in that honest-to-god that's 100%

1821
01:23:41,620 --> 01:23:40,220
happened to me it's true and I stake my

1822
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:41,630
reputation total

1823
01:23:46,540 --> 01:23:44,449
because I saw it happen and I remember

1824
01:23:48,970 --> 01:23:46,550
like keeping very quiet about it telling

1825
01:23:50,830 --> 01:23:48,980
just a few people and thinking I would

1826
01:23:53,470 --> 01:23:50,840
not believe this story if someone told

1827
01:23:56,530 --> 01:23:53,480
it to me and it's not one of these major

1828
01:23:58,709 --> 01:23:56,540
stories but I just know that it happened

1829
01:24:01,209 --> 01:23:58,719
and it there's no answer I can think of

1830
01:24:04,300 --> 01:24:01,219
yeah it's true you can't you can't

1831
01:24:06,010 --> 01:24:04,310
really this this stuff that I've seen

1832
01:24:06,700 --> 01:24:06,020
what you tell people I don't expect them

1833
01:24:10,149 --> 01:24:06,710
to believe it

1834
01:24:12,220 --> 01:24:10,159
some people will only be convinced if it

1835
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:12,230
happens to them and even then you know

1836
01:24:16,750 --> 01:24:15,050
it's not if you do this long enough

1837
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:16,760
though even when you're not looking for

1838
01:24:20,169 --> 01:24:17,570
it

1839
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:20,179
exactly do you get in these areas these

1840
01:24:24,820 --> 01:24:22,130
locations these hotspots you're gonna

1841
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:24,830
have stuff happen right and I know this

1842
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:27,770
is UFO show so if someone just listened

1843
01:24:33,100 --> 01:24:30,170
wants to listen to UFOs I do apologize

1844
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:33,110
one other question I had for you Ben is

1845
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:35,690
when you were doing the fact or faked

1846
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:38,210
was there any show that you can think of

1847
01:24:45,610 --> 01:24:40,570
that you just were totally blown away by

1848
01:24:50,140 --> 01:24:45,620
results yeah I mean there was there was

1849
01:24:52,270 --> 01:24:50,150
a lot of like I said the the ghost

1850
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:52,280
hunting stuff we had object what we call

1851
01:24:55,660 --> 01:24:53,810
object manipulation things were thrown

1852
01:24:56,620 --> 01:24:55,670
around the rooms we had a camera

1853
01:24:59,649 --> 01:24:56,630
destroyed

1854
01:25:04,300 --> 01:24:59,659
I had objects were picked up and slammed

1855
01:25:07,950 --> 01:25:04,310
right behind me a light yeah came flying

1856
01:25:10,510 --> 01:25:07,960
off of a door and down the hallway so

1857
01:25:14,110 --> 01:25:10,520
that to me is undeniable but we also

1858
01:25:16,870 --> 01:25:14,120
captured some probably two of my very

1859
01:25:19,810 --> 01:25:16,880
favorite UFO cases and one of them I

1860
01:25:23,350 --> 01:25:19,820
don't know I categorize it is UFO

1861
01:25:26,350 --> 01:25:23,360
although there was a UFO involved was

1862
01:25:28,060 --> 01:25:26,360
the one in in England in the UK where we

1863
01:25:30,660 --> 01:25:28,070
had a woman who who seems to have

1864
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:30,670
disappeared from her bed for 13 minutes

1865
01:25:38,979 --> 01:25:35,690
so that one blew me away just because

1866
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:38,989
it's either something very strange like

1867
01:25:43,090 --> 01:25:41,170
a spontaneous invisibility or

1868
01:25:45,250 --> 01:25:43,100
deportation which i think is it kind of

1869
01:25:47,919 --> 01:25:45,260
outlandish it's not that I don't have an

1870
01:25:49,270 --> 01:25:47,929
open mind to that but but really I don't

1871
01:25:54,310 --> 01:25:49,280
know there's much evidence to support

1872
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:54,320
that or you have a very very strange

1873
01:25:58,590 --> 01:25:55,610
illusion that took place

1874
01:26:01,290 --> 01:25:58,600
and she's not really disappeared which

1875
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:01,300
which is also very very extraordinary

1876
01:26:08,770 --> 01:26:04,010
and when you look at the video the other

1877
01:26:10,660 --> 01:26:08,780
one was a case it was not at but my

1878
01:26:14,260 --> 01:26:10,670
other team was down in the panhandle of

1879
01:26:17,770 --> 01:26:14,270
Florida and they were able to duplicate

1880
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:17,780
some lights that a man filmed behind a

1881
01:26:23,650 --> 01:26:20,090
grove of trees kind of in a swampy

1882
01:26:27,130 --> 01:26:23,660
brackish water area so they they were

1883
01:26:29,290 --> 01:26:27,140
able to duplicate it however I don't I

1884
01:26:30,970 --> 01:26:29,300
don't think if we're to trust him and

1885
01:26:33,130 --> 01:26:30,980
they seemed like they said he was a very

1886
01:26:35,110 --> 01:26:33,140
you know trustworthy guy from their

1887
01:26:38,170 --> 01:26:35,120
impression I don't think he would have

1888
01:26:40,540 --> 01:26:38,180
faked it he would have had to been lying

1889
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:40,550
about you know that there was no noise

1890
01:26:46,810 --> 01:26:43,970
and all this stuff to to when they did

1891
01:26:49,480 --> 01:26:46,820
their night investigation though our

1892
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:49,490
camera which is a full-spectrum it picks

1893
01:26:56,470 --> 01:26:53,570
up both the IR and UV spectrums captured

1894
01:26:59,500 --> 01:26:56,480
an orb like object as they were

1895
01:27:00,940 --> 01:26:59,510
witnessing from the backside they went

1896
01:27:05,980 --> 01:27:00,950
out on a boat and they witnessed an

1897
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:05,990
object that kind of sucked in just from

1898
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:08,690
from this mass of a light into nothing

1899
01:27:15,910 --> 01:27:12,650
and disappeared while on the backside we

1900
01:27:18,910 --> 01:27:15,920
filmed this light come up out of the

1901
01:27:22,930 --> 01:27:18,920
grove of trees and zip off like it like

1902
01:27:25,180 --> 01:27:22,940
speed and I I thought it was a

1903
01:27:29,260 --> 01:27:25,190
tremendous tremendous catch and and

1904
01:27:32,140 --> 01:27:29,270
again it's it's unfortunate that I had

1905
01:27:36,070 --> 01:27:32,150
the file I did what I could to get the

1906
01:27:39,010 --> 01:27:36,080
file from the production but I couldn't

1907
01:27:40,710 --> 01:27:39,020
get the actual tape because I think it's

1908
01:27:44,230 --> 01:27:40,720
one of the greatest catches ever

1909
01:27:47,410 --> 01:27:44,240
definitely on the show of a phenomenon

1910
01:27:50,710 --> 01:27:47,420
that is unexplainable Wow amazing

1911
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:50,720
now Ben I don't want to abuse your good

1912
01:27:56,650 --> 01:27:53,210
nature and keep you on for real long but

1913
01:28:00,400 --> 01:27:56,660
I do want to ask you just one last

1914
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:00,410
question if I could and that is I

1915
01:28:12,069 --> 01:28:10,390
Jonathan Reed said yeah I could see you

1916
01:28:17,109 --> 01:28:12,079
wanted to say read but you were going to

1917
01:28:19,569 --> 01:28:17,119
say his real name rudder right yeah

1918
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:19,579
now does do you happen to know that

1919
01:28:24,850 --> 01:28:22,250
let's recap the story a little bit that

1920
01:28:27,819 --> 01:28:24,860
the supposedly he's walking with his dog

1921
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:27,829
and didn't the alien kill his dog or

1922
01:28:36,790 --> 01:28:33,170
something like that yes he was in gosh I

1923
01:28:38,649 --> 01:28:36,800
want to say it was 98 I want to say that

1924
01:28:43,330 --> 01:28:38,659
the air was but maybe it was earlier

1925
01:28:45,959 --> 01:28:43,340
than that was in Washington State at a

1926
01:28:49,660 --> 01:28:45,969
really really beautiful area near

1927
01:28:51,129 --> 01:28:49,670
Snoqualmie Falls my brother used to live

1928
01:28:55,030 --> 01:28:51,139
up there and this is a big area for

1929
01:28:56,950 --> 01:28:55,040
Bigfoot sightings as well and you know

1930
01:29:00,939 --> 01:28:56,960
everything you think of a Washington

1931
01:29:03,339 --> 01:29:00,949
lush big pine trees ferns and everything

1932
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:03,349
and he he claims he was out walking with

1933
01:29:08,260 --> 01:29:06,770
his dog and I think his dog's name was

1934
01:29:11,140 --> 01:29:08,270
Susie it was a golden retriever or

1935
01:29:16,330 --> 01:29:11,150
something and his dog breaks away from

1936
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:16,340
him yeah chasing after something so he

1937
01:29:21,580 --> 01:29:19,489
hears his dog kind of whimpering and he

1938
01:29:23,290 --> 01:29:21,590
thinks I'll know it's got entangled with

1939
01:29:26,979 --> 01:29:23,300
some type of a mountain lion or some

1940
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:26,989
animal so he grabs a stick to go run

1941
01:29:33,870 --> 01:29:29,090
over and try to help his dog out he

1942
01:29:37,870 --> 01:29:33,880
finds his dog he sees this his creature

1943
01:29:42,189 --> 01:29:37,880
four foot something high this got his

1944
01:29:44,530 --> 01:29:42,199
dog by the neck and so he takes a stick

1945
01:29:48,390 --> 01:29:44,540
and it didn't look human

1946
01:29:52,060 --> 01:29:48,400
but he whacks the thing on the head and

1947
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:52,070
so after what he believes he killed this

1948
01:29:56,919 --> 01:29:54,530
this anta see he wasn't sure if it was

1949
01:30:00,189 --> 01:29:56,929
human or not and he looks across the way

1950
01:30:02,410 --> 01:30:00,199
and sees what he refers to as the Ovilus

1951
01:30:04,899 --> 01:30:02,420
which is sort of this trying you're

1952
01:30:07,330 --> 01:30:04,909
looking craft it's hovering in the

1953
01:30:10,510 --> 01:30:07,340
forest so he had a video camera with him

1954
01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:10,520
he takes it out he films the the alien

1955
01:30:16,209 --> 01:30:14,210
he films the ship and then took a

1956
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:16,219
survival blanket and wrapped the

1957
01:30:23,730 --> 01:30:20,290
creature up and took it back home

1958
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:23,740
so look I would love for this this type

1959
01:30:29,580 --> 01:30:25,810
of thing it's a it's a fantastic story

1960
01:30:31,890 --> 01:30:29,590
and and if I didn't tell John he should

1961
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:31,900
turn it into a movie he should it's it's

1962
01:30:36,630 --> 01:30:33,610
a great story

1963
01:30:39,090 --> 01:30:36,640
but yeah that was one of my favorite

1964
01:30:41,310 --> 01:30:39,100
cases because I really did approach it

1965
01:30:43,470 --> 01:30:41,320
with an open mind but I watched a lot of

1966
01:30:46,530 --> 01:30:43,480
stuff both his content and other

1967
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:46,540
people's and it fell apart pretty

1968
01:30:50,790 --> 01:30:48,970
quickly yeah that's what I was gonna I

1969
01:30:54,390 --> 01:30:50,800
was gonna talk about that there was a

1970
01:30:59,540 --> 01:30:54,400
that I remember watching that particular

1971
01:31:02,370 --> 01:30:59,550
episode and he did not like your

1972
01:31:04,770 --> 01:31:02,380
conclusion of the whole thing but one of

1973
01:31:07,830 --> 01:31:04,780
the the main questions I have is he

1974
01:31:09,390 --> 01:31:07,840
still sticking to the story because

1975
01:31:11,610 --> 01:31:09,400
doesn't he have like a real strong

1976
01:31:15,780 --> 01:31:11,620
following this is what kind of scares me

1977
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:15,790
sometimes in this field he does he does

1978
01:31:22,830 --> 01:31:20,290
he claimed to me while we were there he

1979
01:31:27,480 --> 01:31:22,840
told me that he'd sold I think it was

1980
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:27,490
over $100,000 worth or copies or I can't

1981
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:29,650
exactly remember of his book right after

1982
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:32,050
he had his coast-to-coast interview and

1983
01:31:35,460 --> 01:31:33,610
was kind of saying yeah I made a lot of

1984
01:31:39,410 --> 01:31:35,470
money off of this whatever am I thinking

1985
01:31:44,670 --> 01:31:39,420
well okay that's that's your motivation

1986
01:31:47,190 --> 01:31:44,680
but he he's traveled the world in in I

1987
01:31:49,860 --> 01:31:47,200
think Japan he's been to Mexico he's

1988
01:31:53,610 --> 01:31:49,870
been invited internationally and the

1989
01:31:56,130 --> 01:31:53,620
case you know after people had done some

1990
01:31:58,020 --> 01:31:56,140
research on him and found out some

1991
01:31:59,580 --> 01:31:58,030
things like it wasn't his real name and

1992
01:32:01,170 --> 01:31:59,590
he didn't have these degrees he probably

1993
01:32:04,350 --> 01:32:01,180
never had a dog because he's allergic

1994
01:32:08,820 --> 01:32:04,360
and when this all started happening

1995
01:32:11,340 --> 01:32:08,830
yeah the he said he was in hiding but

1996
01:32:15,870 --> 01:32:11,350
people had seen him at a wedding you

1997
01:32:17,910 --> 01:32:15,880
know so when this all happens he stopped

1998
01:32:20,910 --> 01:32:17,920
being invited to most of the UFO

1999
01:32:24,230 --> 01:32:20,920
conferences but he still has a very

2000
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:24,240
loyal following in fact Jaime Masson

2001
01:32:30,210 --> 01:32:27,370
spoke to me once about it and he's you

2002
01:32:33,470 --> 01:32:30,220
know you gotta love Jaime for for who he

2003
01:32:37,729 --> 01:32:33,480
is he's it's a great entertainer

2004
01:32:39,140 --> 01:32:37,739
buddy he tells me you know I think that

2005
01:32:42,470 --> 01:32:39,150
you are right about some of these things

2006
01:32:43,729 --> 01:32:42,480
but I I do think that there is some

2007
01:32:47,260 --> 01:32:43,739
truth to what he's saying and I'm like

2008
01:32:49,550 --> 01:32:47,270
Jaime like what part is true

2009
01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:49,560
what part of this story are you going

2010
01:32:53,750 --> 01:32:52,290
along with because this is not something

2011
01:32:57,290 --> 01:32:53,760
that you kind of like mess up on one of

2012
01:32:59,780 --> 01:32:57,300
the details is like okay okay all right

2013
01:33:03,560 --> 01:32:59,790
the the the alien wasn't true but the

2014
01:33:07,060 --> 01:33:03,570
ship was or you know yeah my dog's name

2015
01:33:10,100 --> 01:33:07,070
was Bronco it wasn't Susie you know now

2016
01:33:13,850 --> 01:33:10,110
the its it's either a total fabrication

2017
01:33:17,090 --> 01:33:13,860
or not and what I cornered Jonathan on

2018
01:33:18,410 --> 01:33:17,100
this on especially that the videos that

2019
01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:18,420
I don't know if they're still floating

2020
01:33:23,150 --> 01:33:20,489
out there but the one that really got to

2021
01:33:26,900 --> 01:33:23,160
me was he claimed that he filmed before

2022
01:33:29,330 --> 01:33:26,910
a live audience in Canada TV show where

2023
01:33:32,210 --> 01:33:29,340
he used the artifact you put it on your

2024
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:32,220
wrist and you you disappear you're

2025
01:33:37,430 --> 01:33:35,250
transported hmm well you never see the

2026
01:33:39,170 --> 01:33:37,440
live audience you only hear them it

2027
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:39,180
looks like a 12 year old filmed it in

2028
01:33:45,170 --> 01:33:42,210
the basement and you never see the host

2029
01:33:47,900 --> 01:33:45,180
and you never see any cutaways it's one

2030
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:47,910
camera angle I'm like Jonathan I'm gonna

2031
01:33:52,460 --> 01:33:50,370
come on I was like you expect me to

2032
01:33:54,229 --> 01:33:52,470
believe this is a professional t to be

2033
01:33:57,800 --> 01:33:54,239
showed he says I didn't do the editing

2034
01:33:59,660 --> 01:33:57,810
that was that and you on TV yes did you

2035
01:34:02,979 --> 01:33:59,670
disappear when you put the bracelet on

2036
01:34:06,260 --> 01:34:02,989
yes I was like okay you've lost me

2037
01:34:09,740 --> 01:34:06,270
because you see some static there's like

2038
01:34:13,460 --> 01:34:09,750
and then the camera goes blank and he's

2039
01:34:15,170 --> 01:34:13,470
gone when it comes on right and then he

2040
01:34:16,490 --> 01:34:15,180
comes back and he's breathing heaven

2041
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:16,500
he's like it worked it worked

2042
01:34:24,440 --> 01:34:21,930
yeah so the thing is he has people close

2043
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:24,450
to him that it's kind of like I'm

2044
01:34:29,030 --> 01:34:26,570
opening a whole other can here and

2045
01:34:32,930 --> 01:34:29,040
people are gonna hate me I just know

2046
01:34:38,210 --> 01:34:32,940
they will mind I don't care we stand

2047
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:38,220
Romanek okay oh yeah Stan I believe and

2048
01:34:42,290 --> 01:34:40,890
and I don't know if he's listening to us

2049
01:34:44,750 --> 01:34:42,300
if he's in jail currently or what

2050
01:34:48,020 --> 01:34:44,760
situation is but

2051
01:34:49,850 --> 01:34:48,030
but I do believe Stan probably had a

2052
01:34:51,410 --> 01:34:49,860
legitimate experience at first I think

2053
01:34:56,270 --> 01:34:51,420
he probably had some legitimate

2054
01:34:57,950 --> 01:34:56,280
sightings and to be honest I have not

2055
01:34:59,900 --> 01:34:57,960
read his books yet I always tell people

2056
01:35:01,550 --> 01:34:59,910
before I have an opinion

2057
01:35:04,820 --> 01:35:01,560
I'm gonna read their material so I can't

2058
01:35:07,210 --> 01:35:04,830
quite come out however I feel silly

2059
01:35:09,950 --> 01:35:07,220
almost wasting my time because

2060
01:35:13,610 --> 01:35:09,960
everything that people told me my

2061
01:35:15,770 --> 01:35:13,620
experiences personally with him this

2062
01:35:18,260 --> 01:35:15,780
this happens to where people get a taste

2063
01:35:21,530 --> 01:35:18,270
of either fame or fortune or they just

2064
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:21,540
feel like I feel important for once in

2065
01:35:29,060 --> 01:35:25,530
my life and I like the idea that I can

2066
01:35:32,300 --> 01:35:29,070
either manipulate somebody or give them

2067
01:35:36,140 --> 01:35:32,310
hope and in Jonathan's case I think he

2068
01:35:39,170 --> 01:35:36,150
truly does have a a good heart I know

2069
01:35:41,510 --> 01:35:39,180
that sounds weird to say but he likes

2070
01:35:43,970 --> 01:35:41,520
telling people there's hope don't give

2071
01:35:47,450 --> 01:35:43,980
up this and that and I think there is

2072
01:35:48,890 --> 01:35:47,460
some genuineness there but it does not

2073
01:35:51,350 --> 01:35:48,900
outweigh all the people he swindled

2074
01:35:56,990 --> 01:35:51,360
money from you know for his books and

2075
01:36:01,370 --> 01:35:57,000
stuff you know so anyways it's it's his

2076
01:36:05,290 --> 01:36:01,380
closest followers like Rama nack and who

2077
01:36:08,540 --> 01:36:05,300
knows how much Raman ex-wife knew but

2078
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:08,550
it's very very interesting to me I would

2079
01:36:13,090 --> 01:36:11,010
love to do a study specifically on this

2080
01:36:17,380 --> 01:36:13,100
because it's a cult ish like following

2081
01:36:21,260 --> 01:36:17,390
to where they they are blinded

2082
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:21,270
voluntarily to not see things and follow

2083
01:36:26,540 --> 01:36:23,370
these people and then they'll get online

2084
01:36:28,700 --> 01:36:26,550
and Jonathan's camp made a couple of

2085
01:36:32,150 --> 01:36:28,710
really silly cheesy videos you know

2086
01:36:35,510 --> 01:36:32,160
about us and you know and all this stuff

2087
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:35,520
and mm-hmm whether they disagreed with

2088
01:36:40,550 --> 01:36:36,810
us which I'm sure they did

2089
01:36:42,950 --> 01:36:40,560
it had a side effect of bringing a story

2090
01:36:45,950 --> 01:36:42,960
back out and resurrecting it so in the

2091
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:45,960
end it benefited them anyways there's

2092
01:36:48,890 --> 01:36:47,370
sort of like a link now I'm probably

2093
01:36:52,630 --> 01:36:48,900
gonna offend someone by saying this but

2094
01:36:55,310 --> 01:36:52,640
I almost see the link about Scientology

2095
01:36:58,569 --> 01:36:55,320
you know I don't know watch that video

2096
01:37:02,270 --> 01:36:58,579
or not but

2097
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:02,280
yeah you know I'm trying to say goodbye

2098
01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:04,530
to you but I have to ask you another

2099
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:07,170
another question and it's something I

2100
01:37:11,660 --> 01:37:09,090
kind of promised my audience I wouldn't

2101
01:37:13,729 --> 01:37:11,670
talk too much about it but we already we

2102
01:37:16,430 --> 01:37:13,739
already talked about it in the news a

2103
01:37:20,719 --> 01:37:16,440
little bit what did you think of a whole

2104
01:37:24,169 --> 01:37:20,729
situation recently down in Mexico with

2105
01:37:26,299 --> 01:37:24,179
the slides sure well let me let me add

2106
01:37:28,549 --> 01:37:26,309
the disclaimer that I have a lot of

2107
01:37:32,299 --> 01:37:28,559
friends who are involved at some degree

2108
01:37:34,969 --> 01:37:32,309
and they all had different parts

2109
01:37:38,989 --> 01:37:34,979
different reasons to be involved so I

2110
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:38,999
I'm not going to i guess denigrate why

2111
01:37:46,339 --> 01:37:44,489
people decide to what they did but jaime

2112
01:37:49,489 --> 01:37:46,349
Masson was chosen because he had an

2113
01:37:52,580 --> 01:37:49,499
audience Adam do came to me a couple

2114
01:37:54,890 --> 01:37:52,590
years ago and well I don't really

2115
01:37:58,640 --> 01:37:54,900
necessarily but we were put in contact

2116
01:38:02,259 --> 01:37:58,650
with each other and I I will stand up

2117
01:38:06,500 --> 01:38:02,269
for Adam in that I think he's a genuine

2118
01:38:08,959 --> 01:38:06,510
he is a good documentarian he makes an

2119
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:08,969
excellent product and he had a genuine

2120
01:38:12,919 --> 01:38:11,010
interest in in trying to find out what

2121
01:38:15,379 --> 01:38:12,929
this was there was in no way shape or

2122
01:38:17,509 --> 01:38:15,389
form any type of hoaxing that I feel was

2123
01:38:21,700 --> 01:38:17,519
involved in him trying to pull one over

2124
01:38:24,919 --> 01:38:21,710
on people he showed me the slides of

2125
01:38:27,379 --> 01:38:24,929
this what they were hoping was you know

2126
01:38:31,129 --> 01:38:27,389
an alien and maybe had a connection to

2127
01:38:34,370 --> 01:38:31,139
Roswell and he just wanted my honest

2128
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:34,380
opinion he knew that I might have some

2129
01:38:38,209 --> 01:38:35,610
connections with trying to get the

2130
01:38:42,350 --> 01:38:38,219
documentary sold he spent a lot of money

2131
01:38:45,439 --> 01:38:42,360
and years so as anyone would you want to

2132
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:45,449
see something come of it but he really

2133
01:38:50,029 --> 01:38:48,090
didn't care where the cards fell and he

2134
01:38:53,589 --> 01:38:50,039
did all this research basically on his

2135
01:38:56,180 --> 01:38:53,599
own to take it to the Kodak to take it

2136
01:38:59,000 --> 01:38:56,190
you know to try and analyze the other

2137
01:39:04,160 --> 01:38:59,010
photos associated with what they found

2138
01:39:09,589 --> 01:39:04,170
and and the main I think I guess you

2139
01:39:12,709 --> 01:39:09,599
could say critique of where I think it

2140
01:39:16,489 --> 01:39:12,719
is is confusing was to why

2141
01:39:19,279 --> 01:39:16,499
he joined up with Jaime Masson to

2142
01:39:21,259 --> 01:39:19,289
present it in the way that it was if if

2143
01:39:23,209 --> 01:39:21,269
indeed we're hoping this is something

2144
01:39:24,799 --> 01:39:23,219
legitimate you know why why do it in

2145
01:39:27,830 --> 01:39:24,809
this way and that I understand when

2146
01:39:30,739 --> 01:39:27,840
people say that I also understand that

2147
01:39:33,350 --> 01:39:30,749
when you have you know my good friends

2148
01:39:35,629 --> 01:39:33,360
like you know Don Schmidt Tom Carrie and

2149
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:35,639
and everyone else who went down there

2150
01:39:39,529 --> 01:39:38,010
for the conference I don't think you can

2151
01:39:41,330 --> 01:39:39,539
fault them at all

2152
01:39:43,459 --> 01:39:41,340
for saying they're part of something

2153
01:39:45,589 --> 01:39:43,469
like this because they're in it for the

2154
01:39:48,350 --> 01:39:45,599
legitimate interest in trying to find

2155
01:39:50,450 --> 01:39:48,360
out what this is I don't know anything

2156
01:39:54,709 --> 01:39:50,460
about profits or how they were shared or

2157
01:39:57,459 --> 01:39:54,719
anything like that but I don't think you

2158
01:40:00,020 --> 01:39:57,469
know that it was a money-making scam

2159
01:40:02,930 --> 01:40:00,030
because if something came out of it

2160
01:40:04,279 --> 01:40:02,940
they're able to solve the mystery and he

2161
01:40:07,189 --> 01:40:04,289
was able to get his money back for the

2162
01:40:10,540 --> 01:40:07,199
documentary I think that's what Adam

2163
01:40:13,279 --> 01:40:10,550
really wanted and that's what happened

2164
01:40:14,689 --> 01:40:13,289
okay well I promise you know the

2165
01:40:17,779 --> 01:40:14,699
listeners I just wanted to hear your

2166
01:40:19,430 --> 01:40:17,789
your opinion on that and I am honestly

2167
01:40:21,649 --> 01:40:19,440
gonna let you go after this question on

2168
01:40:24,950 --> 01:40:21,659
the message board was going back to the

2169
01:40:26,989 --> 01:40:24,960
shadowy figure that you saw did anyone

2170
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:26,999
try to get any video of this and the

2171
01:40:33,859 --> 01:40:32,130
hotel or look at hotel surveillance we

2172
01:40:36,830 --> 01:40:33,869
weren't in a hotel are we talking about

2173
01:40:41,390 --> 01:40:36,840
that yeah this is a this is the Roswell

2174
01:40:43,850 --> 01:40:41,400
UFO museum so it's upstairs and and no I

2175
01:40:45,259 --> 01:40:43,860
didn't have my video camera out I didn't

2176
01:40:47,830 --> 01:40:45,269
have a video camera wasn't playing on

2177
01:40:51,319 --> 01:40:47,840
doing ghost hunting so I had my my phone

2178
01:40:53,180 --> 01:40:51,329
but I talk about this a lot once again

2179
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:53,190
even if that phone was out and I was

2180
01:40:57,709 --> 01:40:54,570
anticipating if something was gonna

2181
01:41:01,790 --> 01:40:57,719
happen without using night vision and

2182
01:41:03,680 --> 01:41:01,800
and or thermal or something that will

2183
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:03,690
enhance the image there's no way the

2184
01:41:09,469 --> 01:41:05,010
phone would have picked up what I saw

2185
01:41:11,689 --> 01:41:09,479
very clearly right right well Ben again

2186
01:41:14,719 --> 01:41:11,699
I'm not going to abuse you I kept you on

2187
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:14,729
for a real long time and and I don't

2188
01:41:23,089 --> 01:41:19,050
want to get your wife mad at me but

2189
01:41:24,979 --> 01:41:23,099
she'll say you have another wife but

2190
01:41:26,270 --> 01:41:24,989
anyway it's always a real pleasure

2191
01:41:29,240 --> 01:41:26,280
talking you Ben your

2192
01:41:31,550 --> 01:41:29,250
great guy and I'm gonna be very

2193
01:41:33,140 --> 01:41:31,560
interested to see what happens down the

2194
01:41:35,210 --> 01:41:33,150
road with you and what you get involved

2195
01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:35,220
in well thank you so much I really

2196
01:41:39,080 --> 01:41:37,170
appreciate you having me on and it's

2197
01:41:43,670 --> 01:41:39,090
been fun yeah and we'll stay in touch

2198
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:43,680
you take care all righty - all right

2199
01:41:52,460 --> 01:41:47,250
everyone well I had been on for a lot

2200
01:41:56,510 --> 01:41:52,470
lot longer than I anticipated and I got

2201
01:41:59,930 --> 01:41:56,520
to tell you it when I first was new that

2202
01:42:02,420 --> 01:41:59,940
Ben was gonna be on the show I had no

2203
01:42:07,670 --> 01:42:02,430
idea that you know he was absolutely so

2204
01:42:09,110 --> 01:42:07,680
swamped so busy and so he he wrote me

2205
01:42:13,250 --> 01:42:09,120
the other day that he could only be on

2206
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:13,260
for about 30 minutes so I got him on for

2207
01:42:19,070 --> 01:42:16,890
just about an hour and a half so I did

2208
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:19,080
pretty well so at the last minute I was

2209
01:42:23,450 --> 01:42:20,970
trying to figure out what to do for the

2210
01:42:25,310 --> 01:42:23,460
second part of the show and also anyone

2211
01:42:27,740 --> 01:42:25,320
that's listening live is welcome to call

2212
01:42:30,530 --> 01:42:27,750
in and just people want to share a story

2213
01:42:36,110 --> 01:42:30,540
you want to ask me question anything you

2214
01:42:37,130 --> 01:42:36,120
want it's 6:03 967 403 oh I'm not sure

2215
01:42:40,310 --> 01:42:37,140
if we have enough listeners out there

2216
01:42:41,990 --> 01:42:40,320
live right now that we can have an

2217
01:42:44,270 --> 01:42:42,000
actual call-in show but I would love to

2218
01:42:45,860 --> 01:42:44,280
hear from anyone that has a story they'd

2219
01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:45,870
like to tell about a sighting or

2220
01:42:54,020 --> 01:42:48,090
anything like that you're welcome to

2221
01:42:58,250 --> 01:42:54,030
call again 603 9 6 7 403 Oh

2222
01:43:01,250 --> 01:42:58,260
now Michael Luke who used to work with

2223
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:01,260
us here he used to do the news a lot of

2224
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:04,170
people still talk about him a great guy

2225
01:43:09,380 --> 01:43:06,570
we stay in touch he is writing blogs

2226
01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:09,390
maybe one or two a month for us he's

2227
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:13,290
also writing a book and I believe he's

2228
01:43:18,830 --> 01:43:15,930
in the editing part of that book which

2229
01:43:20,930 --> 01:43:18,840
is going to be coming out he's very

2230
01:43:22,370 --> 01:43:20,940
excited about it I think in the fall and

2231
01:43:27,650 --> 01:43:22,380
we're gonna have him on the show when

2232
01:43:29,960 --> 01:43:27,660
his book does come out but recently he

2233
01:43:34,820 --> 01:43:29,970
wrote a blog that's up on podcast UFL

2234
01:43:38,210 --> 01:43:34,830
calm and it's called the faded disks and

2235
01:43:40,250 --> 01:43:38,220
what that is is back a number of years

2236
01:43:44,270 --> 01:43:40,260
ago a woman named

2237
01:43:47,919 --> 01:43:44,280
any Wendy Connors she took up collecting

2238
01:43:51,410 --> 01:43:47,929
and preserving and restoring vintage

2239
01:43:54,259 --> 01:43:51,420
ufo-related audio recordings I think

2240
01:43:57,890 --> 01:43:54,269
that's wonderful because I myself see

2241
01:44:00,259 --> 01:43:57,900
that you know we need to preserve these

2242
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:00,269
things as time goes on right now we have

2243
01:44:05,060 --> 01:44:02,610
podcasts out there they're digital they

2244
01:44:06,350 --> 01:44:05,070
they're stored somewhere on the net who

2245
01:44:08,149 --> 01:44:06,360
knows what'll happen to them in the

2246
01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:08,159
future but when you go way back to the

2247
01:44:17,870 --> 01:44:13,530
old reel-to-reel tape and other ways of

2248
01:44:20,140 --> 01:44:17,880
recording these shows back then you know

2249
01:44:23,299 --> 01:44:20,150
the sound quality isn't always good but

2250
01:44:26,359 --> 01:44:23,309
she put these to digital and preserved

2251
01:44:29,390 --> 01:44:26,369
them and these are archives that go all

2252
01:44:33,250 --> 01:44:29,400
the way back to the 1940s all the way up

2253
01:44:35,450 --> 01:44:33,260
until I think the 1960s is some time and

2254
01:44:39,680 --> 01:44:35,460
so if you go to our website you can see

2255
01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:39,690
the the blog and on the blog there are

2256
01:44:42,979 --> 01:44:41,130
some videos again if anyone would like

2257
01:44:46,399 --> 01:44:42,989
to call in and say hi talk about a

2258
01:44:48,290 --> 01:44:46,409
sighting talk about anything else that

2259
01:44:51,669 --> 01:44:48,300
they would like to speak about in their

2260
01:44:56,839 --> 01:44:51,679
UFO topic even abductions I don't care

2261
01:44:57,979 --> 01:44:56,849
6:03 967 403 oh and just a minute here

2262
01:44:59,450 --> 01:44:57,989
I'm going to play a couple of

2263
01:45:03,740 --> 01:44:59,460
interesting clips of what I find

2264
01:45:05,330 --> 01:45:03,750
interesting and you can actually call in

2265
01:45:09,319 --> 01:45:05,340
in between them talk about them if you'd

2266
01:45:14,479 --> 01:45:09,329
like or anything else like that so going

2267
01:45:16,430 --> 01:45:14,489
through I made one little bit of a

2268
01:45:18,319 --> 01:45:16,440
mistake and that is I picked out some

2269
01:45:24,189 --> 01:45:18,329
long ones because I thought that I would

2270
01:45:26,750 --> 01:45:24,199
have the whole hour to myself here and

2271
01:45:36,790 --> 01:45:26,760
which I've never done before just plain

2272
01:45:40,129 --> 01:45:36,800
talking but I am going to play let's see

2273
01:45:42,979 --> 01:45:40,139
these are all too long for the time that

2274
01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:42,989
we have left so bear with me if you

2275
01:45:51,200 --> 01:45:48,690
would I am going to just play clips here

2276
01:45:53,209 --> 01:45:51,210
and there this is a Kenneth Arnold he

2277
01:45:54,060 --> 01:45:53,219
did a little short phone interview so

2278
01:47:33,870 --> 01:45:54,070
this one's going to

2279
01:48:58,650 --> 01:47:42,240
[Music]

2280
01:49:04,510 --> 01:49:01,990
and that goes back to Kenneth Arnold all

2281
01:49:06,280 --> 01:49:04,520
the way back you know he is when you

2282
01:49:07,750 --> 01:49:06,290
think of the Flying Saucer and of course

2283
01:49:10,450 --> 01:49:07,760
he talks about that I thought that was

2284
01:49:12,490 --> 01:49:10,460
interesting now I'm gonna play some a

2285
01:49:14,860 --> 01:49:12,500
couple of clips that I have not listened

2286
01:49:17,380 --> 01:49:14,870
to only because again I thought I had a

2287
01:49:18,729 --> 01:49:17,390
whole hour to fill so I'm just gonna be

2288
01:49:20,860 --> 01:49:18,739
playing a couple of other interesting

2289
01:49:22,300 --> 01:49:20,870
clips though I have no idea what's on

2290
01:49:26,110 --> 01:49:22,310
them have not listened to them

2291
01:49:29,110 --> 01:49:26,120
this right here is 1947 and it's ABC

2292
01:49:31,300 --> 01:49:29,120
News and it's on the roswell disc and

2293
01:49:34,150 --> 01:49:31,310
I'm not sure if I heard this maybe it's

2294
01:50:02,979 --> 01:49:34,160
the one I've heard before but here it

2295
01:50:04,600 --> 01:50:02,989
goes I'm sorry I'm stopping that one

2296
01:50:06,610 --> 01:50:04,610
only because yes I have heard that I'm

2297
01:50:09,880 --> 01:50:06,620
sure you have heard that but this sound

2298
01:50:11,890 --> 01:50:09,890
quality is just a little too a little

2299
01:50:17,200 --> 01:50:11,900
bit too rough in my opinion for that one

2300
01:50:18,850 --> 01:50:17,210
so I'm going to actually try we'll try

2301
01:50:19,600 --> 01:50:18,860
this one right here and see what it is

2302
01:50:24,340 --> 01:50:19,610
this

2303
01:50:26,830 --> 01:50:24,350
is up was in 1954 Lord Hugh Dowling

2304
01:51:29,290 --> 01:50:26,840
doubting on flying saucers I have no

2305
01:51:31,240 --> 01:51:29,300
idea what this one is all right this

2306
01:51:35,250 --> 01:51:31,250
next one I did listen to it's another it

2307
01:51:41,229 --> 01:51:35,260
is a short clip and it's basically I

2308
01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:41,239
think it was dr. Hynek admits that the

2309
01:51:47,470 --> 01:51:44,570
Roswell case was true now he's not

2310
01:51:49,300 --> 01:51:47,480
actually saying it but this is a

2311
01:51:52,439 --> 01:51:49,310
secondhand account but it's still

2312
01:52:04,979 --> 01:52:00,520
in 1973 during the great UFO wave in the

2313
01:52:09,729 --> 01:52:04,989
eastern United States in October of 1973

2314
01:52:15,160 --> 01:52:09,739
Hynek and I were at a luncheon in Ohio

2315
01:52:20,350 --> 01:52:15,170
and someone at the table said to Hynek

2316
01:52:22,810 --> 01:52:20,360
well dr. Hynek is it true that bodies of

2317
01:52:27,010 --> 01:52:22,820
aliens have been taken to right field

2318
01:52:30,950 --> 01:52:27,020
and he said of course he said I don't

2319
01:52:36,620 --> 01:52:30,960
know then he turned to me

2320
01:52:39,709 --> 01:52:36,630
and he said that it is true I like that

2321
01:52:41,510 --> 01:52:39,719
one and hang on what happens with these

2322
01:52:44,930 --> 01:52:41,520
if one will just play where after the

2323
01:52:46,729 --> 01:52:44,940
other so I have to jump around and we're

2324
01:52:49,820 --> 01:52:46,739
just gonna we're just gonna sample this

2325
01:52:55,880 --> 01:52:49,830
is a Canadian editorial on Project Blue

2326
01:52:58,490 --> 01:52:55,890
Book back in 1956 fighting of these

2327
01:53:00,500 --> 01:52:58,500
unidentified objects or UFOs as they

2328
01:53:02,510 --> 01:53:00,510
have come to be known has not been

2329
01:53:05,720 --> 01:53:02,520
confined to our time but has occurred

2330
01:53:07,490 --> 01:53:05,730
throughout past ages as well the reports

2331
01:53:09,620 --> 01:53:07,500
have come from all kinds of people

2332
01:53:11,720 --> 01:53:09,630
Anders first among those from obvious

2333
01:53:14,870 --> 01:53:11,730
Kravitz have been sightings made by

2334
01:53:17,209 --> 01:53:14,880
scientists by experienced pilots radar

2335
01:53:20,810 --> 01:53:17,219
operators and others who knew what they

2336
01:53:22,610 --> 01:53:20,820
were looking at what is the answer one

2337
01:53:24,709 --> 01:53:22,620
of the most exhaustive attempts to find

2338
01:53:27,320 --> 01:53:24,719
it has been the American Air Force's

2339
01:53:31,459 --> 01:53:27,330
Project Blue Book covering all the

2340
01:53:34,310 --> 01:53:31,469
available data surrounding 1593 UFO

2341
01:53:36,470 --> 01:53:34,320
reports most of these upon being tracked

2342
01:53:39,650 --> 01:53:36,480
down were found to have a natural and

2343
01:53:41,380 --> 01:53:39,660
logical explanation ice particles in the

2344
01:53:44,410 --> 01:53:41,390
atmosphere reflecting diffused light

2345
01:53:46,790 --> 01:53:44,420
weather balloons high-flying aircraft

2346
01:53:48,979 --> 01:53:46,800
simple reflections from inversion air

2347
01:53:51,050 --> 01:53:48,989
masses and even the bellies of birds

2348
01:53:53,060 --> 01:53:51,060
seem from a certain angle distance of

2349
01:53:55,700 --> 01:53:53,070
light are only a few of the many natural

2350
01:53:58,880 --> 01:53:55,710
phenomena that had been taken as flying

2351
01:54:00,830 --> 01:53:58,890
saucers but one of the 27% of sightings

2352
01:54:03,530 --> 01:54:00,840
by competent observers which project

2353
01:54:05,660 --> 01:54:03,540
Bluebook could not explain is there

2354
01:54:07,430 --> 01:54:05,670
additional information we have not yet

2355
01:54:10,220 --> 01:54:07,440
learned that will show them up is

2356
01:54:12,440 --> 01:54:10,230
perfectly natural phenomena or would

2357
01:54:15,229 --> 01:54:12,450
additional information explain them as

2358
01:54:19,010 --> 01:54:15,239
something we now in our present horizons

2359
01:54:22,570 --> 01:54:19,020
of science cannot even comprehend only

2360
01:54:29,209 --> 01:54:25,820
alright this one always interests me on

2361
01:54:31,790 --> 01:54:29,219
the ghost rockets that was in

2362
01:54:35,979 --> 01:54:31,800
Switzerland I believe so hopefully this

2363
01:54:38,209 --> 01:54:35,989
is in English and this was back in 1946

2364
01:54:44,300 --> 01:54:38,219
during when all the ghost rocket

2365
01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:46,730
in that time during the love period of

2366
01:54:54,550 --> 01:54:50,970
the war that very mysterious thing seems

2367
01:54:57,800 --> 01:54:54,560
to be going on over our air in Sweden

2368
01:55:01,910 --> 01:54:57,810
and for a long time we didn't know what

2369
01:55:05,270 --> 01:55:01,920
it was and then the same thing happened

2370
01:55:07,820 --> 01:55:05,280
with one of these things landed and

2371
01:55:09,860 --> 01:55:07,830
there was big secrecy about it at the

2372
01:55:13,730 --> 01:55:09,870
time we didn't get to know much there

2373
01:55:17,140 --> 01:55:13,740
the whole thing of course went into

2374
01:55:20,450 --> 01:55:17,150
pieces when it got into the ground and

2375
01:55:22,910 --> 01:55:20,460
placed in southern Sweden but our

2376
01:55:25,010 --> 01:55:22,920
ministry feels very good riddance neighs

2377
01:55:28,190 --> 01:55:25,020
collected all the business that they

2378
01:55:32,110 --> 01:55:28,200
could find and attack it all over to

2379
01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:32,120
England and the British were able to

2380
01:55:40,070 --> 01:55:36,090
figure out what it was and so although

2381
01:55:42,380 --> 01:55:40,080
that didn't help much they really were

2382
01:55:46,220 --> 01:55:42,390
spared for what was going to happen they

2383
01:55:49,220 --> 01:55:46,230
were able to figure out how this thing

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01:55:54,650 --> 01:55:49,230
was hunting what had happened it was

2385
01:55:59,770 --> 01:55:54,660
considered this was one the things that

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was being protected from in a minute and

2387
01:56:08,090 --> 01:56:04,170
walk out of it in hundreds of it if I

2388
01:56:11,030 --> 01:56:08,100
remember right - they're not during the

2389
01:56:14,600 --> 01:56:11,040
long period of the war but after copy

2390
01:56:19,930 --> 01:56:14,610
after their way of the rhythm of the

2391
01:56:23,120 --> 01:56:19,940
some kind of object that that working

2392
01:56:25,750 --> 01:56:23,130
over the Baltic I cannot refer to it

2393
01:56:36,830 --> 01:56:25,760
everything actually over Sweden they

2394
01:56:39,170 --> 01:56:36,840
were believed to have come from so

2395
01:56:41,900 --> 01:56:39,180
that's it if you want to check that out

2396
01:56:45,530 --> 01:56:41,910
again you just go to our website podcast

2397
01:56:49,370 --> 01:56:45,540
UFO calm and go to our blogs and you

2398
01:56:51,590 --> 01:56:49,380
will see right you will see that a link

2399
01:56:54,110 --> 01:56:51,600
with all these great things it's about

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01:56:55,700 --> 01:56:54,120
11 hours you can listen to that so

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01:56:57,320 --> 01:56:55,710
anyway that's it for the show tonight I

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want to thank everyone for helping out I

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want

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01:57:02,990 --> 01:57:00,420
think Alejandro Rojas for the news Ben

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01:57:04,820 --> 01:57:03,000
Hansen what a great guest I'm always

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01:57:06,860 --> 01:57:04,830
thrilled to have him on I want to thank

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01:57:09,620 --> 01:57:06,870
him Peggy shunning I want to thank you

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01:57:11,720 --> 01:57:09,630
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01:57:17,710 --> 01:57:15,630
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01:57:20,090 --> 01:57:17,720
Whitehouse for the music this week and

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